Friday, December 28, 2012

Who decided that they were finished? Revelation 11: 7,8


Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. (Revelation 11:7, NIV)

Who decides that they are finished? Only God!

Just speculating here:
  • Their finish could coincide with the last Saint being brought in the kingdom.
  • There is a problem with the previous theory if you are going to hang with a tight chronological view of the Revelation. Chapter 13:7 of the Revelation has the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit making war with the saints and killing them, and the chronological viewpoint then places the Saints after the two witnesses. So that really doesn't work.
  • Or, it could be that time has merely come to an end, finishing the time of tribulation. There again, if you are attempting to hold to a strict chronological read of the Revelation this theory does not work either.
  • From the point of their arrival, until the end of the their days was prescribed. 1260 days. That's three and a half years. An odd number, and short considering how fast time flies, but that is the entire prescription and end of their purpose. Ironic and yet poignant how it matches several other incidents such as: Jesus in death; Jonah in the fish
“the beast coming up out of the Abyss will fight against them, overcome them and kill them”
No one has been able to do that for 42 months (3 ½ years). As I write this I think back on Elijah and recall that a certain king demanded his presence. (Read about this in 1Kings chapter one starting at verse six.) In fairly rapid succession several (Based on modern warfare terminology.) platoons were turned into toast. (This is one of the aspects that encourages a hard look at Elijah as one of the two witnesses.)
Why would God have any problem with the army ( I assume) that this beast will amass to kill them. He shouldn't, unless their mission is over. 

For precisely 1260 days they have stood in the streets, declaring that there is a God in heaven and causing havoc on the the earth. Think about that! From the moment they arrive the rain is shut off over geographical regions of their choice. I have a strong feeling that this will primarily be those areas that have the loudest voices against God. They sad aspect is that everyone will be affected. It may well be that saints are still coming to the Lord (at the cost of their lives) but then that would mean that God's mercy is still being poured out through the course of the tribulation, if the two show up at the mid-point.

“ left lying in the streets”

“and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.” (Revelation 11:8 ESV)

Killed by the beast. Again, I implore you to think rationally. This is not a vicious yeti or some imaginary creature, but a man. Islam calls him Jesus the son of Mary (not God.i) Empowered by Satan himself he will work the same wondrous miracles that the two witnesses have done, and, as Jesus stated, “he will deceive even the elect.” Did you ever wonder who that would be and how that might happen? 
 
I think we are all aware of people we deem uneducated that have fallen for deception, but what have we been seeing over the last couple of years. Schemers that have bilked the well-to-do out of their money and used that money for their own personal gain. Several have been caught. The name Bernie Madoff comes to mind, along with the corporation Enron. You do not have to be stupid to be deceived, you merely have to be convinced that what they are pushing on you is the real and better thing. 
 
Having just witnessed the two representatives of God make the world even more vulnerable, and then be killed by this “beast”, he might just be a very believable person. The deception comes when he declares that the God we understand is false, and that Allah is true. Because Jesus said it would happen this way, you can go to the bank on it, if they still exist.

“their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city”
Do not get confused, there is only one great city at this point, and it is Jerusalem. Sure, I understand that the battle is raging and that the UN gave the Palestinians some form of statehood, but do not be deceived, this is still God's heart and he is not giving it up.
Of all the places that could be considered a town square in Israel, there is only one, in my mind, that always gets photographed, video taped, or have interviews conducted from, and that is the square at the Western Wall, in clear view of the temple mount.
What is it that would make this a great city, outside of history? The rebuilt temple. The mere fact that it may be standing at this point will hugely significant, and a source of pride and arrogance for the Jews. To be able to slaughter the two witnesses in front of it, would be a major coup, and add tremendous fuel to the deception.

I rehash a major theme of mine:

What is prophecy to the Jewish mind? - Pattern.

Who else died and left us a pattern of three and a half days?
  • Jesus
  • Jonah
The idea of three days spread all through out the law and Moses (The Torah and Pentateuch). I suspect that this will all take place on the same day that Jesus rose. Just as Jesus rose, so will these two. God will not be mocked or destroyed.
Ask him to make himself real to you and watch what happens. His name is Jesus Christ and he is the son of the living God. I strongly suggest that you come to him quickly.
(i)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam
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Sunday, December 23, 2012

Their arrival will be phenomenal.

Of the two witnesses.

Revelation 11: 5-6 LITV
And if anyone desires to harm them, fire comes out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone desires to harm them, so it is right for him to be killed. (6) These have the authority to shut up the heaven, that no rain may rain in the days of their prophecy. And they have authority over the waters, to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.

Let's make some assumptions here.
  • I am convinced that we are dealing with a pre-tribulation rapture. So I will approach this primarily from this point of view. So let's say the tribulation comes and immediately the witnesses show up. What would have happened only a short time before their arrival?
    • Potentially, as nations have amassed against Israel, the firestorm of Ezekiel 38, 39 has come. The author Joel C. Rosenberg, wrote a book entitled “The Copper Scroll”. A fictional story based in the reality of scripture and the fact that there really is a copper scroll. The book opens with the world, primarily Muslims, attempting to recover from the firestorm from the skies (Islam would not admit that God might have had his hand in this) that has wiped the dome of the rock off the map leaving only some charred rubble, and left the armies that gathered against Israel dead on the nearby hillsides. All the world will be looking at Israel. This is not even taking into consideration the potential rapture scenario.
    • Another scenario. Many chose to believe that the two witnesses appear at mid-tribulation. If that is the case what are the obvious factors? Sticking with the knowns: Either the temple has been built or may be in the process of being built. Regardless the Muslims are not giving up the temple mount without a fight. Suppose that fight has taken place and they have lost, giving Israel the ability to clear the dome and build. As usual all eyes will be on Israel because tensions will be high, and the two witnesses will suddenly appear, wreaking even more havoc as they spew fire out of their mouths and stop the rain at will.
    • Perhaps what might be happening will be that the harpazo or rapture has taken place. People from every walk of life and nation will disappear. Planes will fall from the sky; cars will crash; banking at it's best be severely hampered; law enforcement, rescue teams, and normal work operations will be without personnel. Pregnant mothers will be instantly without babies, and children under the age of accountability will be missing. That means that elementary schools will be vacant of children, instantly. Try for a moment to imagine the pandemonium as mothers alone scream in desperate search for their children that are now with the Lord. Nations will have to react as normal citizens begin to panic, screaming about aliens and conspiracies. Marshall law will be declared and people, especially those that speak out against the government, or for God, will be detained and disappear. I do not think that you can get past Ezekiel 38,39 therefore something will happen, almost of global proportion, either before or immediately after the rapture, that draws all the attention to Israel. I venture every network camera will be there recording the events as they unfold.
November and December of 2012 saw two major events.
  1. After continuous missile attacks from Hamas, Israel fought back. What was the public outcry? How horrible Israel was. The ensuing buildup of hatred and animosity rises.
  2. A recent majority vote in the UN gave the Palestinians statehood. While this maybe a symbolic gesture but watch as many attempt, through violent means, to eliminate Israel as a nation/state, and claim Jerusalem/Palestine as their capital. Mohamed Morsi of Egypt has already made the assertion that Jerusalem will be Egypt's capital, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the current president of Iran, has proclaimed that Israel will be wiped off the map.
What is my point?
God is placing his two witnesses right in the midst of this kaos. Of course they (the Muslims) will try, on a daily basis, to kill them. Angry at the Jews, and angry at God, people from every nation will try to kill “God's” representatives.
Scripture tells us that the nations will overrun the city and will have control of the outer court of the rebuilt temple.
Revelation 11:2-3 LITV And cast aside the outside court of the temple, and do not measure it. For it was given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city forty two months. (3) And I will give to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, dressed in sackcloth.
The word “and” tends to tie the two thoughts together. I realize that the implications are that this puts them at a mid-tribulation arrival, but the word and is not set in stone and can also mean “but.” Look at the Moffat translation of this passage. Moffat is not the only one that sees this in this manner.
Revelation 11:3 Moffatt NT (3) But I will allow my two witnesses to prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clad in sackcloth
I do not see a directive mandating a chronological point of view, and therefore cannot necessarily tie the two witnesses to the tragic end of a rebuilt temple.

“If any man will hurt them,...”

Revelation 11:5 LITV And if anyone desires to harm them, fire comes out of their mouth and devours their enemies.
Because of the potential circumstances the two witnesses are being placed into, attempts on their life will be many, on a daily basis. Anyone attempting to kill them will be burned to death on the street. Not only will there be an instantaneous response, but it says desire. If I take that literally, I know many of you do or at least want to, then this means that the thought will be read and you will be destroyed with fire. (This brought back an image from the movie Minority Report, in which future intent was perceived and dealt with as though the crime had been committed.
Flame throwers have been used in war as a method of getting shooters out of caves and tunnels. There is a limit to the range of such weapons, but then we are not talking about a weapon but God himself. Trust me on this. When the frontal attacks fail they will try to take the two witnesses out with snipers, well outside of out what they believe to be harms way. This means that God will give the two witnesses insight as to who and where their enemies are, and regardless of how well hidden or their distance, they will be toast. Most will die on the streets before their feet.

“They have power to shut up the sky, so that no rain falls during the days when they are prophesying;”

Revelation 11:6 Moffatt NT (6) ... they have power to shut up the sky, so that no rain falls during the days when they are prophesying; and they have power over the waters, to turn them into blood, and also to smite the earth with all manner of plagues as often as they choose.
Three and one half years of no rain. Not just in one spot as a demonstration, but wherever they deem necessary. Keep in mind that these men are also carrying out the judgment of God upon this earth.

“and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.”

Dramatic? Yes, but God is not interested in giving anyone a good show for the entertainment value. He is always trying to make a point.
Under God's direction, Moses presented himself before Pharaoh's court. (Much can be written about the background of this scene and why Moses had any right to be standing here.)
Exodus covers the events. Turn there to chapter 5 and you can see the story unfolding as Moses begins telling Pharaoh, “let my people go!”.
Exodus 5:1 NIV Afterward Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Let my people go, so that they may hold a festival to me in the wilderness.'"
Exodus 7:8-13 NIV The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, (9) "When Pharaoh says to you, 'Perform a miracle,' then say to Aaron, 'Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh,' and it will become a snake." (10) So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. (11) Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts: (12) Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs. (13) Yet Pharaoh's heart became hard and he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had said.
Although I have heard this story many times it seems I did not read it. As God is introducing himself to Moses, proving to Moses that he means what he says, God has Moses throw down a staff. That staff turned into a serpent. That would have had me hopping for cover. Moses, at God's command, picked the serpent up and it turned back into a staff.
I mentioned previously that prophecy to the Jew is pattern, and God has now demonstrated his power and intent once to Moses. Moses upon his trek back to Egypt is met by his brother Aaron, and Moses shows him that God is real and means business by throwing the staff down again; it responds by turning into a serpent once again. You might think that throwing this staff down could be a dangerous thing to do at this point. The pattern is now established in Moses mind, and Aaron is now paying attention as well. Just to make it interesting Aaron had a staff as well. God is not limited by who owns the staff, and God tells Moses to have Aaron to thrown down his own staff.
When you toss out the staff and the Egyptians do the same thing, with the same results, what do you do next? Apparently nothing as Aaron's staff ate theirs. God had already warned Moses that he would harden Pharaoh's heart, and he did. The next phase was the turning of water into blood and the plagues upon the people and the land.
The two witnesses are given the freedom to do the very same things. You want an idea of what is still coming, continue reading what Moses did to Egypt. Do not anticipate anything less. And you can add all this on top of what Revelation has already been spelling out, in terms of judgment, upon the world.


In a previous post I talked about the aspects of being a witness. http://omharris.com/2012/12/19/certainly-there-is-a-chronology-to-the-revelation/
While one may testify as to what they saw, another can tell you how great something is, and yet another is proactive, demonstrating with all authority in the absence of the creator. This last aspect is what I believe these two witnesses are doing. They are walking out the power and presence of God that man has shunned, ignored, and denied. Peter stood on the day of Pentecost, freshly filled with the Holy Spirt and with the fire of God. (By the way. I believe that while fresh is exciting and new, maturity causes the gift to ripen and become more full-bodied, and the recipient, which is anyone who desires it, becomes more skillful at delivery and their ability to hear the spirits voice clearly.) Spoke, driven by that power, and said,
Acts 2:14-21 Moffatt NT (14) But Peter stood up along with the eleven, and raising his voice he addressed them thus: "Men of Judaea and residents in Jerusalem, let everyone of you understand this — attend to what I say: (15) these men are not drunk, as you imagine. Why, it is only nine in the morning! (16) No, this is what was predicted by the prophet Joel — (17) In the last days, saith God, then will I pour out my Spirit upon all flesh, your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your young men shall see visions, your old men shall dream dreams: (18) on my very slaves and slave-girls in those days will I pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. (19) And I will display wonders in heaven above and signs on earth below, blood and fire and vapour of smoke: (20) the sun shall be changed into darkness and the moon into blood, ere the great, open Day of the Lord arrives. (21) And everyone who invokes the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Do you not realize that this passage was referring to the last days, and yet Peter put it into the present tense. Applying it not only to himself, but our lives and children as well. It says, “And everyone who invokes the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Saved from what, and to what degree?
If the rapture has come and gone, then clearly he is not talking about being saved from the wrath to come. When we speak of the wrath to come what are we talking about? The tribulation years. While many have experienced horrible tribulations, and many are going through horrible tribulations even as we speak, this is not the tribulation that we are to expect. Jesus told you that it would be so bad that if God did not cut short time no man would survive it. And yet based upon what Peter said you can not only prophesy, but be saved by using the name of the Lord. To help defined what I mean allow me to show you something from the book of Hebrews.
Hebrews 11:7 Wuest 7 By faith Noah, having been divinely warned concerning the things not seen, with reverential care prepared an ark for the preservation of his household; by means of which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Hebrews 11:23 GW Faith led Moses' parents to hide him for three months after he was born. They did this because they saw that Moses was a beautiful baby and they were not afraid to disobey the king's order.
Hebrews 11:29 GW Faith caused the people to go through the Red Sea as if it were dry land. The Egyptians also tried this, but they drowned.
Hebrews 11:32-34 GW What more should I say? I don't have enough time to tell you about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, and the prophets. (33) Through faith they conquered kingdoms, did what God approved, and received what God had promised. They shut the mouths of lions, (34) put out raging fires, and escaped death. They found strength when they were weak. They were powerful in battle and defeated other armies.

Now here comes the hard part; the part that no one wants to hear.

Hebrews 11:35-38 GW Women received their loved ones back from the dead. Other believers were brutally tortured but refused to be released so that they might gain eternal life. (36) Some were made fun of and whipped, and some were chained and put in prison. (37) Some were stoned to death, sawed in half, and killed with swords. Some wore the skins of sheep and goats. Some were poor, abused, and mistreated. (38) The world didn't deserve these good people. Some wandered around in deserts and mountains and lived in caves and holes in the ground.
Hebrews 11:39 ISV All these people won approval for their faith but they did not receive what was promised,
While God can and will show his mighty hand through some, others, will like sheep be led off, tortured and or killed. I suspect that the numbers of people that make a stand for Jesus, and the added distraction that the judgments of God bring, will cause them to not waste much time torturing people. You will merely be beheaded. Islam is not terribly interested in a conversion process, there will not be time for that. Therefore the killings will be methodically fast and global.
There is no getting around this. The end result will be the death of the saints for those coming through the tribulation. I know this because it is laid out in the Revelation. The only reason I can see for some showing such power and strength, is to cause others to come to Jesus, and give many the hope they need to carry on their testimony. How strong will you be when they torture you, or even worse, torture your children before you. Isaiah the prophet testified that, “they will dash your children upon stones before your feet.”
Revelation 7:13-14 ISV "Who are these people wearing white robes," one of the elders asked me, "and where did they come from?" (14) I told him, "Sir, you know." Then he told me, "These are the people who are coming out of the terrible suffering. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
I feel confident in saying that all that come to the Lord through the tribulation years will be killed. I do not see it any other way, and yes it will quite possibly hurt. Keeping your eyes fixed on Jesus Christ and the hope of eternity with him will bring you through.
Let me point something out. Logic and current directions the world is going make Islam the logical choice for terminology. I am not interested in making you a hater of people, I am merely pointing out that the scriptures tell us clearly that such a person with a vile hatred of Christians and Jews will and already exists. Knowing the background of Islam, it fits the bill even now. So what can you do about it? Until that day comes you pray that God stops the hand of the enemy (really that is Satan empowering people.) and that God's will be done and that God's life find it's way into peoples hearts. God's plan will not be stopped or hindered, and yet Satan has spent all these years finding people willing to try. Allow the Holy Spirit give you a peace and confidence that surpasses your understanding, as you walk calmly through this life, what is left of it. The words of the Apostle Peter still ring true today, just as they did the moment he proclaimed, “this day are these words fulfilled in your ears.” And he quoted Joel chapter two. I am declaring to you that we can, should, and are walking in the spirit of power and prophecy. Allow God to move through you. Give yourself to him and let the Holy Spirit possess you and trust him as he tells you to thrown down the proverbial staff.
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It always re-creates a visual image inside of me.

We went to our church Christmas spectacular. Beautiful voices, entertainment and interesting videos to coincide, but the part that got me was what I could hear of this passage from the bible. An aspect of  this passage is that it always recreates a visual image of  Linus reading to Charlie Brown after telling him I know  what Christmas is all about.

Luke 2:8-14 KJV And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. (9) And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. (10) And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. (11) For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (12) And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. (13) And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, (14) Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

When this ended I again heard this inside of me. He is real and alive, and coming back for those who are his. Turn your hearts toward Jesus. He has already turned his heart toward yours.
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Wednesday, December 19, 2012

Certainly there is a chronology to the Revelation

Revelation 11:3-4 NIV And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." (4) They are "the two olive trees" and the two lampstands, and "they stand before the Lord of the earth."
These verses are a statement describing an event that will happen during the seven-year period called the tribulation. I do not see the passage as chronological and I will attempt to explain why.

The two witnesses.

My Dake's bible notes places the entrance of the two witnesses at the second half of the seven years.
Problems I have with that timing -
  • Verse 3 states, “my two witnesses,” but witnesses to whom?
    • If the nations are being witnessed to, what is the effect?
      • You do not see anyone come to the Lord after a certain point in the Revelation (Rev 7:13-17), and if you are holding fast to a chronological viewpoint, the last of the Saints that John viewed in heaven, were seen previously in scripture. If you are going to be literal in your interpretation then you have to admit that there is no one past this point that comes into the kingdom.
    • The answer to the question of who they are witnessing to really depends on when the two witnesses enter into the picture.
      • If they are witnesses to the Saints, then that puts the two witnesses at the beginning of the seven years.
      • But if they are witnesses to God's power and judgment, then perhaps this all makes strange sense; for what do they do? They consume those that would fight against them with fire, much like a fire breathing dragon. And, they stop the rain on whomever they see fit. There would have to be a motivation behind that, or they are merely responding to God's directives, just as Jesus did.
      • If they arrive at the beginning of the tribulation then it could also be said that they are a representation of the Life of God in men, an aspect that few of us have adequately demonstrated. This makes more sense to me.
        From a prophets point of view. When we have attempted to move in the power of God those fearful of God's power have cried and moaned, and had us kicked out of our churches. (I speak from experience.) Pastors across this land have acted in fear and though they ask God for a move of his spirit they refuse to allow anyone the venue. I can tell that the church I go to now, they will escort you out the door if you attempt to express what you feel is a word from God. Growth in an area like this is somewhat experimental as you try to represent the heart of God and all you have is a broken human vessel to work with. God, it would seem, intentionally designed it that way. If I use Jonah as an example. He was not willing to deliver any message other than destruction upon a hated enemy, the Ninevites (The Assyrians). But he did, and they turned their hearts, momentarily, and God spared them for the time being. Reading the story of Jonah all the way through shows you how angry he was that God spared them.
The two witnesses are part of the pattern of prophesy. Allow me to refresh, or to some explain. To the Jew, prophesy is pattern. Pattern builds recognition and confidence. I suppose it demonstrates little trust, but really, was that Israel's problem all along?
We can find the two witnesses in: Zechariah 4:11-14; Malachi 4:5-6; Genesis 5:24; and Hebrews 11:5
Zechariah's account tells us that they are the anointed ones that stand before the Lord.
Malachi 4:5-6 LITV Behold, I am sending you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Jehovah. (6) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the sons, and the heart of the sons to their fathers, that I not come and strike the earth with utter destruction.
Seeing as I am talking about pattern in prophesy, let's discuss this passage for a moment.
  • Malachi was penned long after Elijah death, so there are only two ways Elijah could have an impact on fathers of the future.
    • Through the record of his life,
    • His reappearance as a witness at a future date. That date is not specified but the obvious factor is an appearance during the tribulation.
  • For God to say, “before the coming of the great and dreadful of Jehovah” gives us no specific timing. Jesus even made the odd statement implying that John the baptist was Elijah. I do not believe that this was literal, but more symbolic, for John followed Elijah's pattern.
  • One of the objectives that God spells out for Elijah is turning the heart of the fathers to their children. Has any aspect of Elijah's life had that great of an impact so far? No! Sure, there may have been a few that have been greatly affected, but do you not get the sense that God seems to be talking about a large scale result. How could Elijah possibly have that great of an impact? If he came back to earth in the tribulation period would certainly do it. Now that alone opens a can of worms for those that wish to date the return of the two witnesses, for where do you see anything in Revelation that looks like fathers turning to the hearts of the children? Only in the saints coming to the Lord after the rapture. Doesn't this imply that the future witness of Elijah has some impact on this prophecy.
  • Verse 6 “And he shall turn..” sounds very definite, but is that what we see happen in Revelation? I have often described the saints turning to the Lord like this: Under the pressure of emminent death, they decide that choosing something other than Allah is a better choice, and most will merely refuse to accept the mark or worship the beast (Do not get all stupid on me here. There is no beast, it is a man, empowered by Satan, but you won't see that. What you might see is someone who came off as very charasmatic in the beginning.) These Saints will have their throats slit, or their heads removed for refusing Allah, and will enter the kingdom of God within a few seconds. Religion will have you beating your chest and crying out to God about what a sinner you are. You think he doesn't know that already. We are talking about a Father that is trying to regain a family, and all he has ever done is emplore them to come home.
There are things about the two witnesses that just make more sense to me. Those of you who chose not to learn of God have to do some backtracking. Joel chapter two tells of a powerful, spirit filled, fearless life, lived out briefly as a testimony to the living God. The two witnesses may be physical examples for you. If so, follow their lead.
ref: (i) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam





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Monday, December 17, 2012

Revelation 11:1-2, Jerusalem under the power of the antichrist.

The last thing John hears that distinguishes the end of chapter 10 is:
"You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings."
In essence, you have heard the end of things under the rule of rebellion, now go and tell them. And yet, God is not done talking. Thus we begin chapter 11.
Revelation 11:1-2 GW Then I was given a stick like a measuring stick (A reed). I was told, "Stand up and measure the temple of God and the altar. Count those who worship there. (2) But do not measure the temple courtyard. Leave that out, because it is given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
Given a reed – a measuring device, with instructions to measure all but the court of the gentiles. Why?
As I began to write I had this image of a real-estate person come into my head. He walked through the building taking measurements for the owner. In Ezekiel's case, he watched as the owner did the measuring. So, perhaps God is demonstrating his ownership or possession of the temple. Later I came back to my computer where I can quickly look at multiple comparative resources as to why would he give it over to the gentiles and find that John MacArthur said something very similar. This ownership aspect sounds great, but considering that the temple court is given to the Gentiles it does not work for me. Why would “God's” temple be quickly given away? I suppose the simple answer is God has a plan.
We are given the answer, but do we understand it? It is given to the gentiles.

Why would he give it over to the gentiles?

This is God's temple, and who are the gentiles? But think about my statement, “this is God's temple”. Is it? King David was not allowed to build God a temple but his son Solomon was. The temple had been robbed by Israel's kings and turned into a corrupt commercial enterprise by the time Jesus walked its courts. In 1Samuel 4:21 God declared that the glory had departed from Israel because the ark was taken, but the glory was no longer in the ark, it was in the man Jesus Christ, and on the day he died the temple veil was ripped in two, exposing, in a sense, the world emptiness of the holy place to the world and freeing God to be in those who chose to be his people. If you have read the Revelation then you might have noticed, as I did, that it says the temple will be rebuilt, but you will not see it referred to as God's temple.
As of this writing there is no temple, so yes, your assumption that the temple must be rebuilt is correct. For the Jews to rebuild it and hand it over to the gentiles seems preposterous. There would have to be such tremendous pride involved in an accomplishment like this.
This is one of those moments when, as I was writing, the light came on. The Jews, and by extension the nation of Israel, will have a fresh pride and sense of security, but in what? God has always been trying to get them to look to him as their source. Having regained the land to rebuild, their pride will be looking in-ward once again. Can you imagine that. Islam has had control of the temple mount long enough to believe it is theirs. Read some of the literature about the volatility surrounding the mount and you will find comments indicating that Muslims are willing to state that there was no temple there. Now project that into the future.
Will Islam give up anything without a fight? Not for a moment, but they will for three and half years.
At this very moment the gentiles are struggling to gain control of Jerusalem. Here is a wild ride for you. November 2012 and the United Nations general assembly, by majority vote, granted the Palestinians statehood. From what I understand it is more a symbolic gesture at this point, but I can guarantee you that the can of worms has been opened and Israel is not giving up Jerusalem as its capital to any terrorist organizations. They (Israel), have openly challenged this “statehood” by moving forward with the building of more homes for Jews, and the Muslims have since posted no trespassing signs, indicating that the “UN decreed land” is Palestinian and that by illegally standing upon it actions will be taken against you. So the obvious factor here is an increase in strife, contention, and a Muslim populace that has control of the temple mount. Muslims will not allow the Jews to even walk on the temple mount as it is considered holy ground for their mosque.
The new temple, and the Holy City, Jerusalem, are to be trampled by these Gentiles for forty-two months. That is three-and a half years.
For 42 months Israel will hardly be recognizable. Therefore the only real purpose that we can attribute to such unusual action is that it fulfills God's plan. I suppose that I could also say that this is part of God's judgment against Israel. I can totally see this, but that does not mean I have to like it. I know how I react to things and it will be a slap in the face. I think, as I write, I am slowly beginning to understand some of the depth of the rejection that God had to endure.

What do we know about those that trample and pollute the temple in the future?

Our natural assumptions, especially if you are religious, is to assume that the gentiles are primarily the Greeks or Romans. The Jews saw them as anyone outside of the covenant, or non-Jewish peoples. Essentially we are using the term Gentiles to describe the nations. Color and ethnicity have little to do with it.
Daniel chapter 9 gives us a little insight. After an extended prayer of repentance over himself, his people, and their lack of faith an angel comes and gives him a look into the future.
I am going to give you two versions. The first translation baffled me, and was a part of why I could not understand end times events for the longest time.
Daniel 9:26 YLT And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations.
Although it did not clear things up for me I heard many speakers try to explain “these sixty-two weeks are weeks of years.” Sorry, but it only hurt my head more. Even my MacArthur's commentary adds, “these are weeks of years.” The following verse tends to say it clearest for me; “After the sixty-two sets of seven time periods...”. Now if I substitute the concept of time periods for years then I am talking about sixty-two sets of seven-year periods (62x7). In this case 434 years.
Daniel 9:26 ERV After the “sixty-two sets of seven time periods”1, the chosen one will be killed. He will be gone. Then the people of the future leader will destroy the city and the holy place. That end will come like a flood. War will continue until the end. God has ordered that place to be completely destroyed.
Analyze the passage slowly and it will make sense. Daniel 9:26 KJV “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,”. Compare that with the words that others used, ascertaining the consensus and you will discover that we are talking about Jesus Christ. The NIV called him: “the Anointed One”. Scripture lays out Jesus death on the cross very clearly for us, and history backs it up. So we can say with a confidence that the first sentence is without a doubt talking about Jesus.
Many will get caught up in anger, argument, and confusion as they scream out, “but Titus destroyed the temple in 70 A.D., so this passage in reference to a far-flung, future event is bogus and nonsense!” Not quite so. Josephus recorded the events of the day and proves out a slightly different angle. The legions in Jerusalem, according to Josephus, were composed of a few Italian troops while the majority were conscripts from locally conquered nations such as Syria and Arabia. Both of which despised the Jews that they were among.
It was the Assyrian troops, under the banner of Rome, that took it upon themselves to sack the temple. Hearing of this Titus ran among them and seeing as the fire they had set was one that could be stopped ordered them to stop their destructive actions and put the fire out. They ignored his order, escalated their actions, and brutally slaughtered Jews in hopes or obtaining any gold they might have swallowed.
Popular religious theory likes to hang their hat on the prince that is to come as being Italian, and therefore the pope himself. Yeah, right. The problem with that thinking is that it was not Titus, the Roman general, that destroyed the temple, but the Assyrians. If we follow the path back to the destroyers, then we are talking about a leader that comes out of the middle-east, and is with little doubt Islamic. Are you paying attention to what is going in the Middle-east, and Islam's impact on the world around you. It is not good and it is coming to your neighborhood.
If you wish to pursue some in-depth scriptural backing for all this then look into: Mideast Beast: The Scriptural Case for an Islamic Antichrist, by Joel Richardson (Author)
Now the sixty-two sets of seven time periods have come and gone, and yet there is no future leader as yet, nor prince that has come and destroyed the city, as of yet. So it is safe to say that this continues to speak of a future time. I suspect that time is just around the corner and not another 2200 years.
Daniel tells us that the people of the prince to come will destroy the city. That is a fairly blunt way of putting it. Revelation 11:2 in the King James version states that they will trample the city and overtake the temple, again.
Seventy weeks (490 years2) have been fixed for your people and your holy town, to let wrongdoing be complete and sin come to its full limit, and for the clearing away of evil-doing and the coming in of eternal righteousness: so that the vision and the word of the prophet may be stamped as true, and to put the holy oil on a most holy place. Daniel 9:24 (BBE)
As I read Daniel 9:24 it sounds like God is fully intended to bring everything to an end.
What do we understand as the end? Christ's triumphant and deadly return to the earth, after which the millennial reign is set up, and the Holy Temple and city are re-established.
Again we are back to scratching our heads as what to do with this mystery time period. Problem is no one really knows, but we can speculate with reason because there are now so many other aspects falling into place.
Revelation calls the this prince/leader that is to come not only the beast (one of many) but also an antichrist. Paul told us that anything that sets itself up against God, denying his power and life is an antichrist, so the title fits.
1 John 2:22 NIV Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.

Who is John writing to?

  • Jews that will listen to what he has to say.
  • The church or the body of Christ depending upon your understanding.
  • The Gentiles or nations.
Why would John write to these groups?
  1. To increase knowledge.
    The world deems it self-defeating to give the enemy your game plan? Not when God is in control.
  2. As a warning.
    Every group is being warned. Look at the first four chapters of the Revelation and you clearly see the church body receiving warnings, but there is also an opportunity to change.
  3. To establish prophecy.
    What does that mean? Revelation 19:10 KJV “...worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” So it makes sense for us to give the testimony of Jesus as an aspect of our speaking to others about our life in Christ. To the Jewish reader (the largest majority during this time was Jewish), they understand that prophecy is demonstrated and established in pattern. Pattern = Validation, believability, and consistency.
So for chapter 11 to open with the measuring of the temple is hugely significant, especially to the Jewish community. Reading and learning the Law and the prophets was expected and a source of a father's pride. They knew the relationship to Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 40:1-3 KJV In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD was upon me, and brought me thither. (2) In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south. (3) And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.
If time is to be no more, then the measuring of the New Jerusalem and the temple mark the immediacy of their integration here on earth.

after eating the scroll

John was told, after eating the scroll, that he was to tell many others.
Revelation 10:11 KJV And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
The word before is Epi and carries meanings of “on, at, and before.” To speak “at” someone can be interpreted as an aggressive posture, but we certainly saw the apostle Paul do that at times. It seems that it is often the only way to break through some dense thinking.
In the case of Ezekiel he too is instructed to declare. How does this fit into the “pattern”?
Ezekiel 40:3-4 KJV And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate. (4) And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.
The Jews who read the Revelation were well aware of what Ezekiel had written about a city that was to come. Unfortunately, they did not recognize that it was the Messiah himself who did the measuring the first time.
Even the idea that the Gentiles would trample on the Holy City was an understood concept. Jesus himself spoke of this.
Luke 21:24 KJV And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Isaiah 5:5 NIV Now I will tell you what I am going to do to my vineyard: I will take away its hedge, and it will be destroyed; I will break down its wall, and it will be trampled.
In Isaiah, the example of the vineyard is Israel, and God himself told Israel that it will be trampled.
Let me reiterate something I said earlier. John's largest audience at the time of writing was Jewish Christians. They did not give up their Jewish understanding, and their training would, usually, had them memorize the prophets I referenced.
Maybe if you walk away from this with anything, remember this. This is a very Jewish book and God has not decided to give up on this people. Their understanding and culture is integral to our interpretation. The second thing I wish people could comprehend, this book was meant to be read and understood.
Pursue knowledge and understanding. God will open the windows of heaven to those who wish to understand. Proverbs 9:10 tells us: The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
I suggest that you accept him as the Lord of your life. I am not very good at this evangelism stuff but try something like this. Jesus, I receive you into my life, and I accept this life that paid so dearly for me to receive. Thank you for bringing me into this family of God and that I get to spend eternity with you. Thank you for life and the peace that you bring into my life. Fill my life with your Holy Spirit as you have promised.
I can guarantee you that some will criticize me for my lack of appropriate wording, but consider something. Hanging next to Jesus was two criminals, paying for crimes committed. Apparently based upon what he saw, one of the thieves asked Jesus to remember him when he came into paradise. That meant that in those few hours, that thief came to some understanding of who he was and what he represented. That thief came to acknowledge, in a simplistic way, that Jesus was who the people screaming at him were denying. And he was accepted into the kingdom when he died. What did Jesus say to him, “this day you will be with me in paradise.”



1Copyright © 1995 by GOD'S WORD to the Nations Bible Society. All rights reserved.
2Emphasis: mine
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