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Tuesday, August 12, 2025

The tares and the wheat, and how does all this fit into the final judgment. A response to a family member.

 One of my family members brought up the wheat and tares that we see in Matthew 24, but she could not, or perhaps would not attempt to understand that all these events are conveying the final judgment; a judgment, by the way, that has nothing to do with the church, nor the catching away of the church.

Since I was woefully unequipped to answer her challenges that afternoon, I am going to answer her's and anybody else's questions pertaining to the final judgment and when it takes place.



The Final Judgment.

I have, for some time, adopted the view that Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20 are the same event from different perspectives.

Is that true?

In Matthew's account, it is clear that only “the nations will be gathered before Him."


Matthew 25:32 NLT 
“
All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.


This is not speaking of the Jews, as they have never been considered an aspect of the nations, and they consider anyone outside of the Synagogue to be a pagan dog.

Don't hold your breath as you say, I got it, as all of those gathered before Him will be dead people.

Allow me to paint a word picture for you. During the three days that affected Jesus' death, one of the things He did was to go into Hades and preach to the captives. Here is where you get to make an intelligent separation.

Some of those religious folk were not entitled to go up in the snatching away of the church. Why?

Do NOT set aside who Jesus was talking to when He said the things He said and Matthew recorded. 

The audience was Jewish, and the subject matter really pertained to them. 

Now, here we are, all those thousands of years later, trying to sort out what He said.


2 Timothy 3:16-17 BSB 
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,  (17)  so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.”


Why would I know this? 

Because the church was not established until Pentecost, 50 days after "first fruits." (Jesus was the first fruit.) On the day of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit fell on the 150+ disciples who were obediently waiting in the upper room.


Psalms 102:18 BSB 
“Let this be written for the generation to come, so that a people not yet created may praise the LORD.”


Jesus's actions during the three days of His "death," are interspersed throughout the scriptures. If Jesus preached to the captives, as the scriptures tell us He did, we must accept that there were other co-occurrent actions; I think that would indicate that an untold number would have, in some way, been set free. 

Don't get me wrong, I would not have expected them to come back to life; however, on the day of His death, we are told that many dead folk rose from the dead and walked the streets of Jerusalem. I think it is important to note that we are given no specifics as to who any of these people were. A moment of honesty: I am having a difficult time trying to envision what became of these formerly dead people.

At the end of the seven years of God's wrath, Jesus resurrects those who held to the testimony of Jesus Christ and subsequently were beheaded for NOT participating in the worship of the beast nor taking his mark. We see all this portrayed in Revelation 20:4-6, which I have included below.

We are also told that it is these resurrected dead that are seated upon those thrones that Jesus sets up as the millennial reign begins. These people are referred to as saints.

Note: the scripture makes it clear that bringing these saints back to life is the first resurrection.


In John's account of this last 1000 years, which we call the Revelation, we see this.


Revelation 20:4-6 NKJV 
“And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. (
Here we are at the final throne that ends all judgment; and yet look at the description that we get here in Revelation 20: a multitude of thrones set up. It is obvious that Jesus cannot and will not sit upon them all. This is where I try to answer the question, who are the “they” that sit upon these thrones? The answer is given to us in verse 

(4). "Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (5)  But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.  (6)  Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.”


Question: Who then are the rest of the dead?

They have nothing to do with the church. Here are several reasons why.

  • First, death has more to do with eternal separation from God.

    Sure, death has much to do with the cessation of breathing, but that is not death in God's eyes. Paul, in 2 Corinthians 5:8, tells us that for the follower of Jesus, death is merely an absence from the body, at which point you are immediately present with the Lord.

    These people who missed the rapture, and refused to turn to Jesus during the years of wrath, and are apt to be eternally separated from heaven, are acting in this manner entirely by their own choice. This option to obtain life had always been before them, and they chose to ignore it.

    Since the time of grace left with the snatching away of the church, those who see the fallacy of their decision and turn to Jesus will have to prove their allegiance to Christ by their testimony, their refusal to take the mark, and their refusal to worship the beast. They will be executed in some manner, most likely beheading, although 19 years ago I saw pictures of some high-tech guillotines; this inglorious death allows for them to be resurrected in the first resurrection, which takes place at the beginning of the thousand-year reign.

  • Imagine a scenario that could happen within days of the rapture, where some of those who ignored Christ's call get squashed by a falling building. They then might fall into the category of those who get called before the great throne of God, along with the nations.

    We have learned that those who do not (fully?) believe, their deaths are comparable to the parable of the rich man's death, which Jesus told the disciples. It would seem that they will find themselves in Hades - a waiting place of discomfort. Many of those who have spent a few moments there because of death describe an intense discomfort such as the rich man spoke of.

    Those that go to hades (this uncomfortable holding place) become subject to the final judgment at the end of the thousand-year reign of Christ; whether it is called: the judgment of the tares, where all we see is the burning of the tares; the sheep and goat judgment, where those who are symbolized as goats are sent off to the lake of fire and the eternal torment that brings, while the sheep, those who did not go up in the rapture of the Church, are given entrance into the kingdom because of a simple work (such as: giving someone who needs it a drink of water, Christ symbolizes the recipients of this kindness as though we did it to Him;) And, finally the great white throne judgment, where we have no discussion about anyone receiving mercy; but unlike Matthew 25, the event where we see NO books, Revelation 20 speaks of books and the book of life. All of the people mentioned above are, at some point, designated as the nations, and there is a clear picture of “good” and “bad” people jumbled together. The “good,” portrayed by the sheep, demonstrates that some, lacking a commitment to Christ, still manage to follow the moral standard that lives within all of us; it is because of the unwitting works that they gain access. In Matthew's account of the sheep, they have NO clue that what they did would eventually gain them access into the kingdom of heaven, a place where NO evil will enter. This thought lends itself to the idea that Jesus will NOT leave them in whatever sinful condition they were in. 

  • If you have read any of my thoughts on how death strips the sin-laden body away, and how the death of the body may open the door for their entrance into the kingdom of Heaven.

(Revelation 20:7,8 NKJV)
“Now, when the thousand years have expired,
Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.”


(When you read this, ask the question, where are these people coming from? The answer is given to us, and it is NOT merely from the plains of Meggido; they are coming from the four corners of the earth. I suppose it is not fair to say they are primarily Muslims, but if your eyes are open then you have seen, the Jihadists, the followers of Islam that have been carrying out a form of warfare as they swarm across the globe, place themselves on school boards, become elected to city councils, and then get themselves elected into higher seats of authority, like Mayors of large cities such as New York.)


(Revelation 20:9 NKJV)
“They (
the nations that have been living scattered amongst the people on the earth during the millennial reign) went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. (So these are now included among the dead, though just moments before they were living among the nations.)”


Allow me to interrupt for a moment as I point out how Matthew conveys a similar oral picture of the final throne.

(Matthew 25:31 NKJV)
"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then
He will sit on the throne of His glory.


When John describes this final throne, he sees a great white one. Now that whiteness may be depicting the light that emanates from His glory.


(Revelation 20:11-13 NKJV)

“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.”

(12) And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

(13) The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.”


Things in common between the two scenarios:

  • Jesus is the judge in all cases.

      If I have not said, I will. The whole of the Revelation is a revelation of Jesus Christ; therefore, it is Jesus upon that final throne. I might also add that all judgment has been given unto the Son, Jesus.

  • In Matthew's account, we are told that He gathers all the nations before Him.

      It is at this time that He separates them into the two crowds, and refers to them as the sheep and the goats.

  • In the Revelation chronicle, we are told that the dead are gathered before Him.

      What we fail to realize is that a huge number of these dead were alive only moments before, and were referred to as the nations, gathered from the four corners of the earth.

  • It wasn't until I had spent some time looking at these scenarios that someone pointed out the “parable of the wheat and the tares.” (Read about this in Matthew 13, verses 24 – 30.) This, too, is a judgment scenario. The dead show up as the angels with scythes, and they gather the tares at the end of time into bundles, with the intent to burn them; this is when the final judgment takes place. The difficulty in understanding comes as this does not have comparable details to the others. The commonality is that it, too, is a final judgment setting.

      Note: There are not multiple judgments of the dead; there is only one, and it happens at the great, white, glorious throne, where Jesus sits.

What is the difference between the judgment scenarios?

In Matthew's account, there is NO mention of books, nor the book of life, as we see in Revelation 20. And yet, in Matthew 25:32, He is separating the judged, called sheep and goats, good or bad, based upon some work found in one of the books that demonstrates an act that has earned them entrance into the kingdom. Since God is organized and NOT random, then there have to be records.


Matthew 25:32 NLT 
“All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”


In Malachi, a time in which the Torah was scarce, those who feared the Lord shared their understanding of God's law, gave attention to what they heard, and began writing a book of remembrance before the Lord. This statement covers a very wide group of people, some of whom might not be religious.


Malachi 3:16 NASB
“Then those who feared the LORD spoke to one another, and the LORD gave attention and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the LORD and who esteem His name.”


In Revelation, there are books, and the dead are judged based on what is written in them. Religion will be judgmental, asserting that everything written is negative and that all of them should be sent to hell.


Revelation 20:12 NASB
“And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.”


Matthew shows us the nations being gathered before Jesus on His glorious throne. There is NOTHING that excludes the idea that, at least, some of these, if not all, were physically dead.

This leads to the next question: What is death?

While many worry about physical death, we who have been in the scriptures long enough know that death is nothing more than a permanent separation from God, an event that happens in conjunction with the great white throne judgment and culminates with the condemned being tossed into the Lake of Fire and nowhere else.

Daniel 7 gives us yet another view of the final judgment at the end of the thousand years. Here is an image of God and His throne that, in this case, has a river of fire glowing out from it; we had not seen this before.


Daniel 7:9-10 NLT 
“I watched as thrones were put in place and the Ancient One sat down to judge. His clothing was as white as snow, his hair like purest wool. He sat on a fiery throne with wheels of blazing fire,  (10)  and a river of fire was pouring out, flowing from his presence. Millions of angels ministered to him; many millions stood to attend him. Then the court began its session, and the books were opened.”


The beast of Revelation 17 is one of those things that will be judged, and it is represented by the antichrist. Revelation 17 attempts to define the beast. This is a little confusing because we have descriptions of kings with crowns and horns, which are kingdoms, when other passages point us to a singular man. This is where many of us get baffled, as numerous prophetic interpreters apply their statements about a human who sustains a mortal head wound and then comes back to life. This teaching is out of context and causes people to look for the wrong thing, like the Pope or the Vatican rising up against the world.


Revelation 13:2-3 NASB And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. (3) I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;


Note: the beast, and it is like so many things. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. A multi-headed monster, unlike anything we have ever seen, and God called it a him. To make things even more confusing, the scriptures tell us that one of its heads sustains a head wound that makes it appear as though it is dead. The bible explains these heads to be kingdoms; therefore, one of the kingdoms, or, shall we say, empires, sustains what appears to be a mortal wound.

What empire did just that?

The Ottoman Empire around 1924.

Ask yourself, what was the driving force behind the Ottoman Empire?

Islam.

Where can you find Islam today?

They are educators in your schools, making decisions over your city councils, sitting as mayors of your cities; they are your senators, and we had one as a president for two terms.

How did that work out for us?

Aside from trying to destroy the economy of the United States, the man gave billions to Iran to support their nuclear programs.

What's the primary ideology of Iran?

Islam and all the twisted commands of the Quran and associated hadiths.

An angel explains to John about the harlot who rides the beast.

Revelation 17:7 NIV 
“Then the angel said to me: 'Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns.”

By definition, astonished is to be stunned or surprised, but that is not what Daniel was. Daniel used the Hebrew word thaumázō, which means he, too, was caught up in admiration and marvel.

The angel told Daniel the mystery of the same woman.
Mystery is the Hebrew word mustērion and, among other things, means a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding.

As you listen to internet teachers going on about Mystery Babylon, how many of them make sense? Not many. It is past time to invest in God's Word.

If the woman, who is drunk on the blood of the saints, has all these aspects rolled up as a part of her package. Then what are those aspects?

Power, money, an intentional lack of moral restraint, brutality against God's people, including the Jews and the Christians, an atrocious degree of arrogance, and they think they are untouchable.

If you doubt that these things are not part of what constitutes the harlot, then what became of Jeffrey Epstein's client list?

CNN told us that the US Attorney General, Pam Bondi, told President Trump that his name was on that list, several times. You see how quickly the evidence disappeared.

What became of Epstein's girlfriend? If there is nothing to substantiate that crimes happened, then why is Epstein's girlfriend in jail? There are a tremendous number of what-ifs, and this is such a small piece of the puzzle.

All that follows was an attempt to direct you to a proper footnote. Passing my writing through a document checker and back again tends to scrub details such as the footnote that follows.

1I have copied and pasted the words that Jesus spoke, just as the translators put them on the page. I am aware that in the world of social media, putting text in all capitals is equivalent to yelling angrily. I am not so sure Jesus was doing that, but He might have been, especially if He was dealing with Pharisees.

(Luke 4:18 NKJV)
"THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE HAS ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; HE HAS SENT ME TO HEAL THE BROKENHEARTED, TO PROCLAIM LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET AT LIBERTY THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED;

I want to focus on this statement that Jesus quoted, but made personal,

“To proclaim liberty to the Captives.” (NKJV) If you focus on the (NASB), it states,

“To proclaim release to the captives.”

From the UCRT.

To preach deliverance.

Deliverance translates aphesin (Strong's # G859, Mat_26:28). Here, in this context, the necessity to translate aphesin as deliverance rather than forgiveness is absolute.

From the Word Study Dictionary Strong's # G859

áphesis; gen. aphéseo¯s, fem. noun. from aphíe¯mi (G863), to cause to stand away, to release one's sins from the sinner. Forgiveness, remission. This required Christ's sacrifice as punishment for sin, hence the putting away of sin and the deliverance of the sinner from the power of sin, although not from its presence, which will come later after the resurrection, when our very bodies will be redeemed.

It is interesting indeed that in Luke 4:18, the word áphesis is used without any designation of what this deliverance or forgiveness is from. The Lord said: "He hath anointed me to . . . preach deliverance to the captives [the word is the same, áphesis] . . . to set at liberty [again the word is the same, en {G1722}, in; aphései, at freedom]." The work of Christ, therefore, is designated as deliverance from everything that holds man a prisoner away from God. However, setting sinful man free would have been a very dangerous thing if God did not simultaneously change man's nature (2Co_5:17; 2Pe_1:4). Man's freedom does not permit him to continue in sin (1Jn_3:6), but binds him in Christ. What Christ does is not simply to take man from prison and set him free, but also to change him radically (katallássei [G2644]), giving him power over sin.

Áphesis is part of a larger process that does not involve simply the freedom of the sinner, but the change of the sinner from being a slave of sin to becoming a slave of God. With that freedom from sin, he acquires freedom of action because of his changed nature and spirit. He acquires the ability to follow after God instead of fleeing from God, and the desire to flee from sin and pursue God. Forgiveness, therefore, must never be understood as the permission for the sinner to continue in his sinful condition.

In the same manner, we must not misunderstand the use of the verb aphíe¯mi (G863), to forgive on the part of the Christian in regard to another, as meaning the forgiving Christian is supposed to allow the sinner to continue in his sinful condition. Forgiveness is not condoning sin but rather doing everything possible to see that the particular sin or sins of the sinner are removed from him by God, who is the only One who can deliver and cleanse him. Forgiveness, therefore, is never freedom in sin but freedom from sin by God (italics added).


Heb_9:22 contains an absolute statement, "without shedding of blood is no remission [áphesis]." As animal sacrifices gave OT sinners relief from the guilt of sin, so Jesus Christ's shed blood (His sacrificial death) gives believers not only freedom from the guilt of sin, which in the NT is called justification (dikaío¯sis [G1347]) (Rom_4:25; Rom_5:18), but also katharismós (G2512), cleansing or purification (Heb_1:3; 2Pe_1:9). This is why in Rom_3:25 in speaking of the OT sacrifices, Paul calls the result páresis (G3929), which unfortunately is translated "remission," as if it were the same as áphesis. If Paul meant it to be áphesis, the permanent remission of sins without the need of further sacrifices, he would have called it that. The blood of Christ provided the removal of the guilt of sin as well as the cleansing from sin on a permanent basis. Páresis (G3929), occurring only in Rom_3:25, must be translated the "bypassing" of sin and not the "remission" of sin, for where there is forgiveness of sins there is no more offering for sin (Heb_10:18).

Sunday, April 16, 2023

Things that puzzle and provoke me. Matthew 3:9-12.

 In the previous post on Matthew 3, we touched on verses 9 – 12, but as I look at these verses again, I see things that provoke and puzzle me. For example:

“And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.”
(
Matthew 3:9 BSB)

If you are unaware, one of the primary purposes of the seven years of God's wrath is to drive Israel to God and bring about their repentance.

When you read a statement such as “I tell you that out of these stones, God can raise up children for Abraham,” at the least, it sounds like a threat, as though God is telling the Jewish listener, don't be so sure of yourselves. If you don't know God's capabilities, this thing with the rocks is doable. (Think about it, He -Jesus, created it all and made man from dirt. Dirt is a combination of many things, and one of them is rock.) I cannot begin to imagine what raising up stones as His children would look like, but it would be easy for God to do a substitution. Suddenly, this Gentile, who was graciously adopted into the family, feels very small.

Now look at what Jesus has to say.

“The axe lies ready at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”
(Matthew 3:10 BSB)

Who is He referring to when He says trees?

The Children of Abraham.

“And since Abraham and the other patriarchs were holy, their descendants will also be holy—just as the entire batch of dough is holy because the portion given as an offering is holy. For if the roots of the tree are holy, the branches will be, too.”
(
Romans 11:16 NLT)

Many will try to tell you that the Gentile church replaced Israel. NOT by a long shot. The Apostle Paul begins to explain.

“Did God’s people stumble and fall beyond recovery? Of course not! They were disobedient, so God made salvation available to the Gentiles. But he wanted his own people to become jealous and claim it for themselves. Now if the Gentiles were enriched because the people of Israel turned down God’s offer of salvation, think how much greater a blessing the world will share when they finally accept it.”
(
Romans 11:11-12 NLT)

I can't help but think about the implications where “the axe lies ready at the roots of the trees.”

  • If you cut even a single, large root, you will severely damage the tree and possibly kill the tree; death, in this case, is slow. Some of the effects from such damage may have played a role in several tall trees falling due to rain, wind, and who knows what else. Fortunately, no one was struck by the trees.

  • Cut all the roots, and you will cut off the water and nutrient supply. Death will come quickly, anywhere from days to weeks.

If you are a farmer and your life is dependent upon the crops you produce, you only buy the best. A tree represented as top quality should not produce bad fruit; if it does, then you have insect damage or soil nutrient issues, which you should have checked. 

But what does Jesus say?

Every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

I think about my life, where I was raised in the church. Whether I understood what I was doing or not seems irrelevant because I have been able to look back upon these detrimental events and know that God has always been a part of my life. Undoubtedly, I turned my back on God several times as I soaked in my shame, but God NEVER turned His back on me.

This would be an excellent place to throw in my two cents.

First, many have said God cannot look upon sin. Most recently, in my hearing, Pastor Greg Laurie once again made this assertion. The implications are that God must turn His back on you, effectively cutting you off from His active grace and mercy.

Is that true?

No, How can it be? 

Adam and Eve did not only sin (they missed the mark and blew it up for all of us) in the garden, but some feel it is appropriate to say that Adam committed high treason. 

So what did God do in response to their actions?

Turn His back on them?

No, He comes down, as usual, and walks in the cool of the garden, as He always did. Yes, He spelled out what the sin had done and what would continue to happen. But have hope, as Eve's seed would eventually crush the Serpent's head.

And while a rant like this could go on for volumes, let me repeat what the Apostle John told us.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.”
(John 3:16-17 BSB)

Not only did He NOT turn His back on us, but He put Himself on the cross for us. Just the opposite of turning His back.

Did God cut me down and throw me into the fire?

This statement certainly sounds permanent, much like Gehenna/hell, and in a recent conversation with my wife, I think I realized that God had brought the fire into my life to purge and purify me. The circumstances drove me into the Word, where, as one dear lady puts it, it made me a Bible Nerd.
Look at what John the Baptizer has to say in the very next verse,

“I baptize with water those who repent of their sins and turn to God. But someone is coming soon who is greater than I am—so much greater that I’m not worthy even to be his slave and carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.”
(
Matthew 3:11 NLT)

There is that word fire again.

I understand baptism with the Holy Spirit because of statements that Jesus made to explain it. Still, there were the cloven tongues that appeared like fire upon the disciples, equaling about 120 persons. There was obvious evidence of speaking with other tongues and power, which for many equated to boldness.

Jesus had to go so that the Holy Spirit – the comforter, could come, and He did, but along with comfort comes boldness.

“But in fact, it is best for you that I go away, because if I don’t, the Advocate won’t come. If I do go away, then I will send him to you.”
(
John 16:7 NLT)

People are always willing to fight over terminology, especially if you did not say the correct word by their standards. So let me show you the Amplified translation, as they give more than enough supplementary words to define.

However, I am telling you nothing but the truth when I say it is profitable (good, expedient, advantageous) for you that I go away. Because if I do not go away, the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, Strengthener, Standby) will not come to you [into close fellowship with you]; but if I go away, I will send Him to you [to be in close fellowship with you].
(
John 16:7 AMP)

The Holy Spirit, acting on God's behalf and doing only what the Father says, as Jesus did, strengthens our hearts about Jesus.

“But I will send you the Advocate—the Spirit of truth. He will come to you from the Father and will testify all about me.”
(
John 15:26 NLT)

The Holy Spirit will abide with you forever. Doesn't this speak of a God that will not let you go?

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you.”
(John 14:16 NLT)

The Holy Spirit will teach you all things.

If you live under a rock and put your faith in Him, the comforter will teach you what you need to know and help you understand. Now, mind you, Jesus was referring to the things the disciples had been told at a time when there were no Bibles, and absorbing the Word of God could only come through repeated hearing from the Torah scrolls - typically kept in the synagogues.

“But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.”
(
John 14:26 NLT)

I tried to run this past the wife, where John the baptist says, “ He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire,” and she had to ask me what the fire is supposed to be in our lives. Well, to be honest, I don't know, in spite of the fact that many have tried to explain what they think this is.

Elijah called fire down from heaven upon troops that would take him, prisoner. And when you consider the two witnesses that show up on the streets of Jerusalem after the church has been removed, they are adeptly spewing literal fire upon anyone who tries to harm them.

Here is the drawback to thinking regarding the physical spewing of fire.

James and John exclaimed at one point,

“Lord, should we call down fire from heaven to burn them up?” (Luke 9:54 NLT)

They had no lack of faith that this could be done, but you won't see their potential motivation if you use one of the simplistic translations. So instead, the Amplified expands the verse appropriately and gives you the backreference.

“But [the people] would not welcome or receive or accept Him, because His face was [set as if He was] going to Jerusalem. And when His disciples James and John observed this, they said, Lord, do You wish us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, even as Elijah did ?” [II Kings 1:9-16.] (Luke 9:53-54 AMP)

Some things to notice here in this narrative about Elijah. It's an amazing narrative; perhaps you should read it.

  • Because at least these two disciples had paid attention that day in synagogue school, James and John had a strong faith that they, too, could call fire down. Paying attention and having Jesus perform miracles on many levels could have built their confidence to the point where they felt they could call down fire on people. It's a fantastic narrative; perhaps you should read it. 

    The context begins in 2 Kings 1:2.

      “One day Israel’s new king, Ahaziah, fell through the latticework of an upper room at his palace in Samaria and was seriously injured. So he sent messengers to the temple of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron, to ask whether he would recover.” (2 Kings 1:2 NLT)

  • So instead of turning to the Lord, he turns to Baalzebub, the god of Ekron. On their way to the temple of Baalzebub, the king's messenger meet Elijah.

      “But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, “Go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria and ask them, ‘Is it because there is no God in Israel that you are on your way to inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron?’ Therefore this is what the LORD says: ‘You will not get up from the bed on which you are lying. You will surely die.’” So Elijah departed.” (2 Kings 1:3-4 BSB)

    Of course, there is a God in Israel, but it is so easy to forget, and secondly, no one wants to hear that they are going to die, and the messengers return to Ahaziah.

      “When the messengers returned to the king, he asked them, “Why have you returned?” They replied, “A man came up to meet us and said, ‘Go back to the king who sent you and tell him that this is what the LORD says: Is it because there is no God in Israel that you are sending these men to inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron? Therefore you will not get up from the bed on which you are lying. You will surely die.’” (2 Kings 1:5-6 BSB)

    If you send someone on a mission knowing how long it should take, and they are back within 30 minutes when it should have taken a couple of hours, you know there is a problem. Having had experiences with Elijah, the King asks:

      “The king asked them, “What sort of man came up to meet you and spoke these words to you?” “He was a hairy man,” they answered, “with a leather belt around his waist.” “It was Elijah the Tishbite,” said the king.” (2 Kings 1:7-8 BSB)

    I am the king; go get him.

      “Then King Ahaziah sent to Elijah a captain with his company of fifty men. So the captain went up to Elijah, who was sitting on top of a hill, and said to him, “Man of God, the king declares, ‘Come down!’” (2 Kings 1:9 BSB)

    The response from Elijah to this command.

      “Elijah answered the captain, “If I am a man of God, may fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men.” And fire came down from heaven and consumed the captain and his fifty men.” (2 Kings 1:10 BSB)

    This happened three times, but the third captain was wiser and could see the results of the previous two attempts.

      “So the king sent a third captain with his fifty men. And the third captain went up, fell on his knees before Elijah, and begged him, “Man of God, may my life and the lives of these fifty servants please be precious in your sight. Behold, fire has come down from heaven and consumed the first two captains of fifty, with all their men. But now may my life be precious in your sight.” (2 Kings 1:13-14 BSB)

    This response also pleased the Lord, so God gave Elijah the green light to go with the captain. 

      “Then the angel of the LORD said to Elijah, “Go down with him. Do not be afraid of him.” So Elijah got up and went down with him to the king. And Elijah said to King Ahaziah, “This is what the LORD says: Is there really no God in Israel for you to inquire of His word? Is that why you have sent messengers to inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron? Therefore you will not get up from the bed on which you are lying. You will surely die.” So Ahaziah died according to the word of the LORD that Elijah had spoken. And since he had no son, Jehoram succeeded him in the second year of the reign of Jehoram son of Jehoshaphat over Judah.” (2 Kings 1:15-17 BSB)

    Setting aside the fire momentarily, God carried out His word, and Ahaziah died. There is an intriguing phrase within this paragraph: "So Ahaziah died according to the word of the LORD that Elijah had spoken.” Wow, I am sure that Elijah merely said what the Lord had told him to say. Perhaps there is a relationship thing that we are missing when we skim over something like this. 

  • Jesus didn't denounce the two disciples. The Bible tells us, depending upon the translation, that He reprimanded them.

    The word that the majority of translations use is rebuked.

    I'm not too fond of that word because, as a child, I was rebuked savagely, and let's leave it at that.

    The word rebuke is the Greek word epitimaō, and the meanings read like this:

    REBU'KED, pp. Reproved; reprehended; checked; restrained; punished for faults.

REPROVED, pp. Blamed; reprehended; convinced of a fault.

CHECKED, pp. Stopped; restrained; repressed; curbed; moderated; controlled; reprimanded.

RESTRAINED, pp. Held back from advancing or wandering; withheld; repressed; suppressed; abridged; confined.

Did Jesus control, hold back, curb, restrain, and convince of a fault, these two disciples?

Most certainly, and He did it without rage. He did NOT tell them that what they were proposing was stupid and impossible because it wasn't, but they were learning that they were living in the age of grace. So the instructions that Jesus had repeatedly given them were to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

Alright, the last verse for this post.

“His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
(Matthew 3:12 ESV)

The idea behind a fork like this is that the lightweight, unwanted portion gets caught by the breeze and moves away, forming a pile of debris while the wheat falls at your feet. 

Eugene Peterson's The Message tells us that “He (God) is going to clean house" soon. He goes on to say, “He'll place everything true in its proper place before God; everything false he'll put out with the trash to be burned.”

The seemingly simplistic word burn is the Greek word katakaiō and means to burn down (to the ground), that is, consume wholly.

The King James Concordance tells us that the word katakaiō was used 13x in the New Testament. Revelation 18 is one of those places where the term katakaiō is used and is used concerning Babylon. Many seem to think that Babylon, the physical place, is to be rebuilt.

How about NOT. About a year ago, a Christian archaeologist went to the site of former Babylon and demonstrated how much it matches the description in Isaiah 13.

“And Babylon, the beauty of kingdoms, the glory of the Chaldeans' pride, Will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. It will never be inhabited or lived in from generation to generation; Nor will the Arab pitch his tent there, Nor will shepherds make their flocks lie down there. But desert creatures will lie down there, And their houses will be full of owls; Ostriches also will live there, and shaggy goats will frolic there. Hyenas will howl in their fortified towers And jackals in their luxurious palaces. Her fateful time also will soon come And her days will not be prolonged.” (Isaiah 13:19-22 NASB)

So Babylon is a demonic spiritual entity; watch what happens to it.

"To the degree that she glorified herself and lived sensuously, to the same degree give her torment and mourning; for she says in her heart, 'I SIT as A QUEEN AND I AM NOT A WIDOW, and will never see mourning.' "For this reason, in one day her plagues will come, pestilence and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for the Lord God who judges her is strong. "And the kings of the earth, who committed acts of immorality and lived sensuously with her, will weep and lament over her when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance because of the fear of her torment, saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour, your judgment has come.' "And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more --” (Revelation 18:7-11 NASB)

And it goes on.

"The merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning, saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, she who was clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls; for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!' And every shipmaster and every passenger and sailor, and as many as make their living by the sea, stood at a distance and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, 'What city is like the great city?' "And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!'” (Revelation 18:15-19 NASB)

One more passage where the word katakaiō is used.

“The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth. And a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.”
(Revelation 8:7 ESV)

When you start with Revelation chapter six, you see the beginning of God's wrath being poured out upon Israel and the nations in the seals. Then, as the seals end, God moves into the “trumpet” judgments that begin in Revelation eight. Remember that the word katakaiō implies a complete burning where nothing is left.

I began this look at Matthew 3:11, where John the baptizer discussed how Jesus will baptize us with the Holy Spirit and fire. I focused on fire and pointed out what it was not. What fire does is purify, so I cannot exclude God from bringing fire into our lives. If it needs to bring that idol you have set up to the ground, let it, as God is purifying you.

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.”
(2 Corinthians 5:10 ESV)

We will be tested with fire as part of the judgment seat. This is NOT a trying to see if you pass the admission test, but removing those things NOT allowed into the Holy City.

“In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
(1 Peter 1:6-7 ESV)

Fire brings warmth and comfort, so I hope you can see yourselves as someone who brings these aspects into the lives of others. 

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