Showing posts with label veiled allusions. Show all posts
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Monday, August 27, 2012

Questions? Some have all the answers.


The July 2012 newsletter, “The Bible Says” calls itself ‘the bible answer to your questions’.
Obviously not every question, like “Daddy, where did we dinosaurs come from?” Because this is one of those things that the bible is rather silent concerning. I strongly suspect the answer is there, but it probably requires thinking outside the box, and that causes great grief to fundamentalists.
Someone had written in asking, “Will the Antichrist be the 12th Imam (Mahdi) that Shia Muslims, particularly the Iranian leadership, are expecting?
The answers are a compilation from the World Prophetic Ministry research department, and writings from the late Doctors: Howard C. Estep, Dave Breese, Ed Hinson, and “others.”
I am familiar with these names and have read this newletter for several years now. I made the assumption that their information was good all the time. I was wrong.
The answer to the question asked was a decisive one, “Absolutely not!” They continue: “The bible indicates the Antichrist will come from a revived Roman Empire, meaning that he will come from an area of the old Roman empire. (Daniel 9:26,27)
If you know my writings at all, then you know I am not going to respond well to an answer like that. I find it domineering, un-insightful, and narrow minded. So as usual I am going to tear it up.
They base their immediate response on Daniel 9:26,27, so let’s go there.
Daniel 9:26-27 KJV And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Traditional teachings would have us believe that Caesar, the Roman General, ordered the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. When in fact Josephus, the Jewish historian, recorded this scenario in opposition to tradition. Keep in mind that history is almost always a one-sided recollection, and generally portrays the victor in the kindest light. Josephus had no motivation to make Titus look good. So where did we come up with these “traditions”?
Josephus records that an unnamed young man rush to Titus to alert him that the troops were involved with the destruction of the temple and that they had started a fire. Titus, dressed as he was, ran toward the temple, waving one arm, and seeing that this was a salvageable situation ordered the men to put the fire out, for he knew that this would bring no good.
From Josephus writings: The Wars of the Jews.
Book 6, Chapter 4. “And now a certain person came running to Titus, and told him of this fire, as he was resting himself in his tent after the last battle; whereupon he rose up in great haste, and, as he was, ran to the holy house, in order to have a stop put to the fire; after him followed all his commanders, and after them followed the several legions, in great astonishment; so there was a great clamor and tumult raised, as was natural upon the disorderly motion of so great an army. Then did Caesar, both by calling to the soldiers that were fighting, with a loud voice, and by giving a signal to them with his right hand, order them to quench the fire. But they did not hear what he said, though he spake so loud, having their ears already dimmed by a greater noise another way; nor did they attend to the signal he made with his hand neither, as still some of them were distracted with fighting, and others with passion. But as for the legions that came running thither, neither any persuasions nor any threatenings could restrain their violence, but each one's own passion was his commander at this time; and as they were crowding into the temple together, many of them were trampled on by one another, while a great number fell among the ruins of the cloisters, which were still hot and smoking, and were destroyed in the same miserable way with those whom they had conquered; and when they were come near the holy house, they made as if they did not so much as hear Caesar's orders to the contrary; but they encouraged those that were before them to set it on fire.”


I have been told that Josephus tells us that by 69AD the conscript troops, taken from surrounding areas, outnumbered the Italians by a 5:1 ratio. These troops according to Josephus were Syrians and Arabians, and demonstrated their hatred of the Jews at every opportunity. The number of Assyrians within the ranks, wearing Roman uniforms, by the time of the temples destruction could have been as high as 60000. Josephus tells us that these troops quickly weighed their punishment for disobedience against their hatred of the Jews and ignored the orders coming from Titus, throwing more fuel on the fire. If we are going to use Daniel to back up our claim of a revised Roman Empire then we really should consider history. Yes, the temple was destroyed, but who destroyed it? Caesar? While not exactly a benevolent ruler by any stretch, it was Assyrians. Instead of merely accepting what tradition has taught us, we need to consider what historical record makes clear. I have yet to find that wording of such an exact nature, but Josephus did make it clear that there were three legions involved in the siege, and another source indicated four legions. Estimates on the number of troops are as high as 80,000.
Keep in mind that the portion of passage the prophecy teachers anchor upon is “the people of the prince that shall come”. While clearly an aspect of what Daniel saw appears to have been fulfilled; but if you have an understanding of end times events to any degree then you should also realize that this is still a future event.
One of the things I have learned is that to the Jewish mind prophecy is pattern, and God spent a tremendous amount of time speaking to a Jewish audience; we just happen to be privileged to be included in that.
Ascribing all these characteristics to Europe does not fit, it never has, and this false assumption has kept the majority of the church in confusion for two thousand plus years. Not to mention the fact that we have not been taught to pray for the correct things, the persecuted church, and restraints against the antichrist and his followers.
A secondary problem I have with the response the authors of the newsletter gave, is that they are all dead. Those that write as staff may be very intelligent, but if they are merely emulating previous leadership then what does that accomplish. We have entire nations that do that; Cuba for example.
If the leadership is good and the information being propagated is sound, then the recipients will be sound, but all you have to do is look around you and you know that is not the case. The church is no more vibrant than it was before; oh sure, there are a handful of people that are consciously trying to maintain the oil in their lamps but the majority do not want to hear that the Lord’s return in imminent.
How, or why would you wish to come off with such an incorrect and closed-minded answer – Note the way they responded to a legitimate question: “Absolutely Not!” Perhaps that is exactly what many of these dead guys would have said, especially if they are going to cling to Daniel 9:26, 27 as the end all to the question. Again, if the those that have passed on left us with good information then let’s continue to use it as our foundation. But if is not right or based in some incorrect logic and a potential lack of understanding then NO!
No one had ever pointed out to me that Josephus had recorded such information about the temple being destroyed by Assyrians within the ranks of the Roman troops. To ignore such information demonstrates an insincerity in proclaiming the truth, and leads to cultist practices in which the followers are kept in the dark trusting in this man alone as the one to regurgitate the necessary information that they think I need.
God gave us brains and logical thought so that we can look around the corner and make sure that there is nothing hidden on the other side of the fence. We are not looking some new and great revelation, I believe that the information is all there, but things in the world have changed so rapidly that we cannot ignore them. When I was a child we did not crawl under desks because of earthquake preparedness, we did drills in case of nuclear war. Why? Because Cuba, 90 miles off our shoreline had nuclear missiles supplied by Russia. Russia and East Germany were scary monsters but then two things happened that seem to change everything. In the late 1970’s Russia seemed to disintegrate, and the Iranian revolution came about. While the tearing down of the Berlin wall was monumental, especially as then President Reagan said, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” No one seemed to notice or understand what the significance of the Iranian revolution meant. For Iran, and all that eventually followed, it was a return to the effectively dead Caliphate. Mullah’s that lived in secrecy outside of their countries returned as the doors reopened, and in Iran they voted in the Ayatollah Khomeni as the president, or at least ruling authority over it. Those that cleared out of there during those years will tell you how horrible the transition was. Burkhas were not required under the Shah’s rule. Yes it’s true, the Shah was a tyrant in his own right, but he did not force the people to live under sharia law.
Look at another piece of significant information that few of us knew about or understood its significance. The Muslim brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928. Why is this significant? Because by treaty the Ottoman caliphate, based in Turkey, was disbanded and outlawed in 1924. The Muslim Brotherhood was instituted to circumvent that. Allow me to give you an overview from Wikipedia.
The Society of the Muslim Brothers (Arabic: جماعة الإخوان المسلمون, often simply: الإخوان المسلمون, "the Muslim Brotherhood", transliterated: al-ʾiḫwān al-muslimūn) is the Arab world's most influential[1] and one of the largest Islamic movements,[2] and is the largest political opposition organization in many Arab states.[which?] Founded in Egypt in 1928 as a Pan-Islamic, religious, political, and social movement by the Islamic scholar and schoolteacher Hassan al-Banna,[3][4][5][6] by the end of World War II the MB had an estimated two million members.[7] Its ideas had gained supporters throughout the Arab world and influenced other Islamist groups with its "model of political activism combined with Islamic charity work".[8] Its most famous slogan, used worldwide, is "Islam is the solution."[8]
The Brotherhood's stated goal is to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the "sole reference point for...ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community... and state".
The movement officially opposes violent means to achieve its goals, although it at one time encompassed a paramilitary wing and its members were involved in massacres, bombings and assassinations of political opponents; notably Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha and the movement's own founder Hassan al-Banna.[8][9] The movement has been criticized by al-Qaeda for its support for democratic elections rather than armed jihad.[citation needed] The Hamas Party Charter, which describes Hamas as an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, ordains that jihad is the individual obligation of every Muslim, that a "peaceful solution" to the "problem" of non-Muslims living in Israel is "inconsistent with the beliefs of the movement", that infidel (non-Muslim) laws and treaties in Israel are void, and that all Jews and Christians must acknowledge complete Muslim sovereignty over Israel. The charter also states that Zionism is the cause of alcoholism and drug abuse.
The Muslim Brotherhood started as a religious social organization; preaching Islam, teaching the illiterate, setting up hospitals and even launching commercial enterprises. As it continued to rise in influence, starting in 1936, it began to oppose British rule in Egypt.[10] Many Egyptian nationalists accuse the MB of violent killings during this period.[11] After the Arab defeat in the First Arab-Israeli war, the Egyptian government dissolved the organization and arrested its members.[10] It supported the Egyptian Revolution of 1952, but after an attempted assassination of Egypt's president it was once again banned and repressed.[12] The MB has been suppressed in other countries as well, most notably in Syria in 1982 during the Hama massacre.[13]
The MB is financed by contributions from its members, who are required to allocate a portion of their income to the movement. Some of these contributions are from members who work in Saudi Arabia and other oil-rich countries.[14]
Many will read this and think, that doesn’t sound so bad, besides, they have been disbanded several times over. If you think like this then it proves that you live in a hole, or under a rock. Are you not aware that the Muslim Brotherhood just got themselves elected to leadership over Egypt, and that they moved in quickly to fill the void left in Libya after the ouster/death of Muammar Gaddafi.
The brotherhood requires the teaching of the Qur’an, a book filled with hatred and death to all outside of the “religion.” It demands a part of one’s income to finance all actions they take. Though they advocate non-violence on paper, violent Jihad is absolutely a part of who they are, and Taqiya is a way of life and the greatest form of Jihad.
With the obvious changes going on around us, how does one choose to ignore the apparent clarity. You have to choose to not pay attention to details, and choose a level of arrogance that refuses to look outside of your convenient and traditional teaching.
God meant for these things to be understood. The end times are no longer a great mystery. Jesus is Lord and his return is imminent. I urge you find your life in him, for he is hope and salvation, and there is no salvation through any other. Give your life over him and ask him to make himself real to you, and he will.

Sunday, August 12, 2012

A response to A Short Course in Revelation - Part 2

Syria Street in Laodicea
Syria Street in Laodicea (Photo credit: Ken and Nyetta)
I stated in my post:
The first three chapters cover Jesus addressing the churches.
These places were real, but also symbolic of the church today. Words of encouragement and warning were given to all but one. The Laodicean church, the last church, was destroyed because they did not respond to the warnings that were conveyed through John’s pen.
What does that mean to us today? Take heed, God is not joking.
Sadly I think the candle has been blown out.
2nd Century AD Temple in Laodicea
2nd Century AD Temple in Laodicea (Photo credit: Ken and Nyetta)
A prophetic word: We are the Laodicean church.

You responded with:
“Laodicea means, ‘the rule of the people’, or ‘user friendly’.... *where is Christ Jesus?
(Rev 3:20) Outside, at the door and knocks!

In retrospect I wish I had not included the statement that the Laodicean church was destroyed. I honestly think I confused it with another church which commentators had clearly said was leveled. I despise speakers that make statements they cannot back up, and as yet, I cannot clearly back this up. Is it untrue what I said. I think not, but it’s spiritual ties to the modern-day church, and the way they act, should be a good indicator of where the church is headed; destruction.
Initially God lays out a proclamation to a church that was in existence. Physically that church is gone. Would there be a remnant to proclaim the hope and life of Christ to us if they had repented? We do not know. What we do know is that the churches were also spiritual analogies, not so different from the descriptions of the beast. They are clearly significant, and if we can allow for that, then the concept of Jesus standing outside the door and knocking is still relevant also.
Allow me to look at what you said:
Laodicea means, ‘the rule of the people’.”
That statement, as a stand alone can go two ways. In the legal system it implies a consensus of your peers and not a dictatorial rule. We are told to only consider a thing if there are at least two witnesses, and then the issue is brought before the rule of the people, and the people who make that ruling are to execute the judgment. Bloodshed is such a gruesome act and only the heartless would be inclined to show no mercy. There is a point to this, and it is that God needed us to realize that it is his mercy that takes precedent over all other decisions.
The alternative take on this statement might imply that regardless of what God says we think we know better. This is how I understand this statement, and all you have to do is look around you; what do you see and hear, we think we know better.

‘where is Christ Jesus? (Rev 3:20) Outside, at the door and knocks!
A couple of things strike me about this.
First: To throw an exclamation point at the end demonstrates how closed you are to understanding. Regardless of your statements to me about desiring to understand, your attitude says completely different. To me, you might as well have slapped me in the face like an angry father, as he yells, your opinion does not matter.
Second: You referenced Revelation 3:20. So let’s ponder that a moment.
Revelation 3:20 NIV Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
There is a context and it needs to be considered. You made this reference because of two things: I used the word destroyed, and I stated that I think the candle has been blown out.
To be honest; I do not know where John MacArthur got his information indicating that the Laodicean church was destroyed by an earthquake. History has done a decent job of recording to much of things like this. Does an earthquake imply God’s judgment against a people? Maybe, but then where is the mercy. God has always been fairly straight forward by laying out an incredible plan to man, and then stating that regardless of what you do I will carry out my end of this. If destruction is included for not following the rules, then destruction must come. To do otherwise would make God a liar and that does not work.
Revelation 3:20 ESV Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.
In terms of context.
1. He is talking to the church. We can make a huge assumption and call it a believing body. But if what MacArthur says is true then we cannot be sure what they believed. Jesus is God. That has been a difficult thing to wrap my head around at times, especially when the focus is upon the virgin birth. God became man, and Jesus is his name, and yet Jesus always was, beside the Father, creating with his words, and so has the Holy Spirit. The Laodicean church apparently did not believe this, and it impacted everything they thought about God. If they were so twisted why did God pour out his life and love upon them? It only demonstrates his mercy.
  1. This passage is one that is used in trying to harvest the lost. An odd way of putting it when Jesus paid for all us when he bought us out of bondage. If a person is caught in bondage then it can only by their own choice to respond to the enticements of deception. Revelation 3:19 states: Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent. If he is talking to the church that he gave his life for, then he is talking to family that he desires to come in line. Therefore his standing outside the door is an act of respect for the free will of the family members, and the want to receive them back in when they repent. Jesus said it, “I reprove and discipline,” so there has to be something that happens if they do not.
According to the Bible Knowledge Commentary:
"The wealthy city of Laodicea was located on the road to Colosse about 40 miles southeast of Philadelphia. About 35 years before this letter was written, Laodicea was destroyed by an earthquake, but it had the wealth and ability to rebuild. Its main industry was wool cloth. There is no record that Paul ever visited this city, but he was concerned about it (Col_2:1-2; Col_4:16)."
John MacArthur states,
"Although these seven churches were actual, historical churches in Asia Minor, they represent the types of churches that perennially exist throughout the church age. What Christ says to these churches is relevant in all times."
In your challenge you mentioned that the Laodicean church meant, "the rule of the people."
The mere selfishness of that statement alone could be a primary reason for judgment against them MacArthur expounds upon something more.
"Beginning of the creation. This corrects a heresy, apparently present in Laodicea as in Colosse, that Christ was a created being (cf. Col_1:15-20). Instead, He is the "Beginning" (lit. "beginner, originator, initiator") of creation (cf. Joh_1:3; Joh_3:14) and the "firstborn of creation"; that is, the most preeminent, supreme person ever born (Col_1:15). As a man, He had a beginning, but as God, He was the beginning. Sadly, this heresy concerning the person of Christ had produced an unregenerate church in Laodicea."
I am not a big fan of John MacArthur and here is why. As I sat in a home-group/bible study, I was accosted weekly by a very adamant lady who apparently worshiped Pastor John. She would not say, but the bible says, it was always, "John MacArthur says!" I was already aware of the Pastor from radio, and I was aware of what he teaches especially on the topic of the Holy Spirit. I strongly disagree with him, but I am an advocate of intelligence, and Pastor John does give us that.
In the quotation above there is a very disheartening statement, and if this what these people believed then it makes all the more sense. The idea that Christ was a created being is the epitome of blasphemy in my mind. Jesus berated the Pharisees because they attributed his works to the devil. To say that Jesus is a created being is to deny that God's attributions in his son are not true either.
Even worse, when you consider that this is representative of this present church age, we are in trouble. Jonathon Cahn, in his book The Harbinger, declares this very thing. Although Jonathon Cahn holds out the hope that God will withdraw his hand against this nation I do not see that happening. I do not see "believers" responding to this plea to be a watchman upon the wall and blow the trumpet. Any that heard my trumpet blowing have treated me with scorn. I am sure that the common attitude is God has been coming for the last two thousand plus years, don't go getting so excited, beside that your scaring me.
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Thursday, April 12, 2012

It's time for the word to be given.

I you read my blogs at all, then you know that I am fanatical about one main thing. The soon return of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. There are other aspects to my zeal such as end times, and prophecy.

As I walked by the television almost three weeks ago, and TBN was on. They lost me long ago with their opulent sets. The interviewer is talking to a young Jewish rabbi named Jonathon Cahn, and he is talking about his recent book The Harbinger.
Based in scripture it fiction, and yet prophetic. It speaks of America and parallels with the judgments upon Israel. Israel received signs and so have we.
Not only is captivating, but a great read, and it is inspiring me to pray even more.

I strongly suggest you get a copy of this book and devour it. I just opened it up before dinner and I am about a third of the way through. And no, I don't read that fast.

God bless, and get the book.
Ozzie
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Friday, March 19, 2010

A study I did, based upon the book "The Shack". Because it challenged me.

The Shack - a bible study
Based on the book "The Shack," by William Paul Young.

A very quick overview of the book - After the tragic loss of a child, Mack struggles for answers and finds redemption in God’s love.

There are things in the book that will challenge your understanding of who God is, how you deal with anger, judgment that you pass upon others, and how much God loves you. In an effort to walk you through some of those challenges, I will attempt to give you theological reasons to believe. My hope is that you find yourself more in love with the Creator of the universe, God, Papa if you will, than when you started.

How many paths are there to God?

One of the biggest deceptions being told right now is that there are many paths to God. I am convinced that God can find you and draw you in no matter what path you may be standing on, but it was not the “path,” necessarily that brought you to Him. John 6:44 RV Says, “No man can come to me, except the Father which sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.” Noah’s saga can help to bring that home. When the floods came there was only one way of escape and redemption, through the single door on the ark. Jesus said, “No one comes to the Father but through me.” This is neither a paradox or irrational; it is just the way it is. When Nicodemus came to Jesus, in the night, what Jesus challenged him with may have seemed irrational. “You must be born again”; for it could be taken two ways. Nicodemus took it as being re-birthed through a mother, and that was not going to happen, although being re-birthed is exactly what happened to us, and it happened on the cross; believe it or not. Funny thing about saying something like “believe it or not”, acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior requires us to believe, perhaps not all at once, but as you learn of Him then you must make a decision, choosing to believe so that you receive all that he did for you, or living an unfulfilled, and selfish life.

Why would you choose to only accept an adoption on your own terms. I suppose many do that and keep their rebellion tucked neatly inside, saying “I will go along with you, but don't expect me to cooperate or do what you want.” As a child, in a sense, you become a child within that family. If there are others, you join the ranks of the existing children. As a family member, and child, you have to understand that sometimes even the children in the family have to learn to take out the trash.

Nicodemus was a man who was educated in the Torah, the law of God, and therefore Jesus spoke to him in terms he should have understood. Do you realize that the writers of the New Testament found God's grace and freedom in those same books of the law, with a little revelation of God's love thrown in.

In contrast to Nicodemus we have the Samaritan woman, a Gentile. Look at John chapter 4 and observe the conversation she has with Jesus. Jesus draws her in and tells her plainly that he is God, unlike Nicodemus there was no veiled allusions.

A piece of history about the Samaritans. They rejected the prophets but accepted the books of the law written by Moses. Moses had said that the Messiah would come, and he would be a prophet like Moses. When Jesus told her about her life and then says that he was that prophet, she knew immediately that she was in the presence of the one. Her reaction alone tells you that.

God presents His case to us and we seem to have the ability to choose to follow Him or act out of our own selfish desires. Adam chose to be selfish and the results were devastating. Thankfully, Jesus chose to be a man and chose to be obedient to the Father’s will.



How does God speak to us?

Mack finds the note from Papa, in his mail box, inviting him to come to the shack.

I would like to call this a paradox, but I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around God choosing to speak to me in a manner such as this; Mack had a hard time with it too. Maybe this is one of reasons I can relate so well to this book, Mack is so much like me, in many ways.

A paradox is something that is seemingly absurd, yet true in fact, such as, Christ on the cross of Calvary. Everything about that scenario is absurd to the human mind. His own disciples thought that through Him they would topple the governing bodies and here he voluntarily sacrificed Himself to a brutal death.

In the opening paragraph of chapter 5 William Young states, "There are times when you choose to believe something that would normally be considered absolutely irrational. It doesn't mean that it is actually irrational, but it surely is not rational."

So how does God speak to us?

This may take a moment to get through this, but bear with me. The word teaches us that everything is to be verified by two or three witnesses, so allow me to try.

The primary method is through the Word of God. God's word is God’s voice to us.

(1.) Through the Word of God, Jesus voice to us.

Hebrews 1:1-2 (GW) In the past God spoke to our ancestors at many different times and in many different ways through the prophets. (2) In these last days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God made his Son responsible for everything. His Son is the one through whom God made the universe.

Here I have opened by saying that God speaks to us through His word and yet in Hebrews it says that God speaks to us through his Son. If that is a problem then how do we resolve it?

Jesus during his temptation in the wilderness responded (and you can find this in both Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4) to Satan by taking a scripture that we would consider out of context, and quoting it to Satan. The passage was from Deuteronomy 8:3, where God had been explaining why he had tested Israel in the wilderness. Now we have the Son speaking the Father's words.


And he humbled you, and suffered you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you knew not, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Jehovah does man live. (Deuteronomy 8:3)

The passage I have shown above is a translation that reads differently from what we have become comfortable with. The KJV reads: “that man does not live by bread only, but by every word the proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord does man live.

Contrary to our opinions of how we should treat scripture, this worked for Jesus quite well. There was no great and sudden theological debate about whether he could use the passage in such a manner, nor was there any chastisement from the Father about it's lack of effectiveness because he pulled only a portion of it.

The word “word” was not in the original text and was placed in the sentence out of logical assumption. It makes sense for it to be there and adds a logical flow to the passage, but that in itself does not make it necessary. The original language translates more closely to the ASV, which is the version that I used. The word “everything” in the Hebrew means: any, each, every, anything, totality, and everything. In other words God's word has no restrictions on it. You may speak out whatever is necessary for the moment.

I went through the Faith movement and still hold to some aspects, but I am sadly disappointed that we were, and still are, teaching people that God's word is a tool that you use to get your own selfish desires fulfilled. If you are praying God's word to satisfy your lusts and bolster your ego then you are acting out of your own will and God is not the least bit interested in that. (Acting upon his own will is what caused Adam to fall, taking all of us down with him.)

Read the book of Romans sometime, and ask the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to the truth that is in there. If you are looking for a pattern to follow, try Jesus. He did nothing outside of the will of the Father, had nothing here on this earth, and yet you will not find a man more free, considered more prosperous, nor more educated.

John opened his gospel by stating:
John 1:1-3 GW In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) He was already with God in the beginning. (3) Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him.

John went on to quote Jesus as saying:
John 15:3 now you are clean through the Word, which I have spoken to you.
John 17:17 sanctify them through your truth. Your Word is truth.

If all we had to work with was the statement “the Word was God” that would be easy enough. My mind would have no argument with God and His word being the same. Perhaps this should take us back to a simpler time when a man's word was worth something; it was the measure of trust and character he had. In other words, if I said it I meant it, and you could count on it being done. It is easy to understand that God is that way, if you read the bible, and in so doing, you get to know His character.

Now here comes the part that can cause some difficulty. John continues to say that “the Word was with God.” That in itself gives the Word a somewhat separate identity. To be with someone almost sounds like a couple that goes to the high school prom, but this is no prom. This has similarities to a marriage; the union between Jesus and His Father. We have such difficulty understanding the trinity but not a duality such as marriage. When couples marry they legally join together in name, in debt, and identity (Again, this will be a point of argument. Because of selfishness, people have demanded their own identity.); this is not much different with God and His Word. John finishes the sentence by saying the Word was God almost as if he was a minister presenting the newly married couple to the audience by using the one name.

He was already with God in the beginning.” He is still referring to the Word.

Everything came into existence through Him.” The Word

Not one thing that exists was made without Him.” The Word

John 1:4 says that “In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.” We are still talking about the Word, but John is about to make it very clear who the Word is. John 1:6-8 talks about John the Baptist, Jesus cousin who was six months older. He came as a witness of the light, but he, John, was not the light. Here is the good part. John 1:10 says that “He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world knew him not.” Jesus was the one that we understand was in the world. John knew this by revelation from the Holy Spirit. (Remember that John was filled with the Holy Spirit while inside his mother.)

The reality that Jesus was the Word is spread all over the bible. Jesus told the Samaritan woman exactly who He was.
John 4:25-26 MKJV the woman said to Him, I know that Messiah is coming, who is called Christ. When He has come, He will tell us all things. (26) Jesus said to her, I AM, the One speaking to you.

By saying I AM, He effectively told her that He was God, for the term He used, ‘eimi,’ carries the connotation of I exist: - am, and have been. Jesus made it very clear that He was God, He is the Word, and He is the Spirit of Truth that is come into the world.

I said all this in an effort to anchor down the fact that Jesus is God, the Word, the Truth, the Light, the Son, so much more, and our soon coming King.

The writer of Hebrews says that 'He' has spoken to us through His Son.

Hebrews 1:1-2 GW In the past God spoke to our ancestors at many different times and in many different ways through the prophets.  (2) In these last days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God made his Son responsible for everything. His Son is the one through whom God made the universe.

By demonstrating who Jesus is should make this passage easier to understand. The Son and the Word are the same, and yet God tells us that He has spoken to us through His Son. Jesus declared, “what you hear me say is not my word but the word of the Father who sent me.” (John 14:24 Moffatt NT). There should be no difficulty in this, Jesus stated that He only did the will of the Father, and only spoke what the Father would have Him speak.

Jesus told us that He and the Father are one. Perhaps a way to picture this is to remember Mr. Spock from Star Trek, when he would put his hands on someone's head and do a Vulcan mind meld. He would say your thoughts are my thoughts. The frail, human mind says there has to be a physical separation between Jesus and the Father, or else how could Jesus have been here on earth and in Heaven at the same time? God does not operate within the parameters of your confined thinking. Yes, I am sure that you are educated beyond compare, but God's word has told us that the mind cannot conceive of what God holds for us in the future. Truth is we cannot understand all that He is now, but we have an invitation, while on this earth, to search out the depths of the one who created us, for we have the mind of Christ. Perhaps that mind of Christ is His written word.

Genesis tells us that God spoke and creation came into being. Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. John went on to quote Jesus, as He referred to the branches, a part of the vine, and how they are cleaned. John 15:3 now you are clean through the Word, which I have spoken to you. Jesus, praying to the Father, said the Father’s word, is truth. John 17:17 sanctify them through your truth. Your Word is truth.
Jesus told the Samaritan woman exactly who He was. John 4:25-26 MKJV the woman said to Him, I know that Messiah is coming, who is called Christ. When He has come, He will tell us all things.  (26) Jesus said to her, I AM, the One speaking to you. By saying I AM, He effectively told her that He was God, for the term He used, ‘eimi,’ carries the connotation of   I exist: - am, and have been. Jesus made it very clear that He was God, He is the Word, and He is the Spirit of Truth that is come into the world.
The reality is that Jesus was the Word. He was in the beginning with God and He was God.

(2.) The Holy Spirit – Occasionally using the voice of men, directed by the Spirit.

We know that God is a triune God; His name in Hebrew even conveys plurality. One of those aspects, no so different than the relationship Jesus shares, is the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that when He went away the comforter would come. He spoke of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit showed himself on the day of Pentecost, and they spoke as the Spirit prompted them to speak. (Keep in mind that at this point there were about 120 people gathered together, including Mary, the mother of Jesus.
Acts 2:3-4 MKJV and tongues as of fire appeared to them, being distributed; and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled of the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, which God has hidden, predetermining it before the world for our glory;

Act 4:20 for we cannot but speak the things, which we have seen and heard.

1Co 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Gal 3:16 and to Abraham and to his Seed the promises were spoken. It does not say, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, "And to your Seed," which is Christ.

(3.) Alternate methods - The paradoxes

“Something that is seemingly absurd, yet true”

God has demonstrated that He lives outside of the boxes our finite minds try to put Him in, and He has done this on many occasions. The mind cannot conceive the reality of who God is and how He operates. He operates outside of our dimensions and time.

Unto us God has revealed things through the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:9-10 RV but as it is written, Things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, And which entered not into the heart of man, Whatsoever things God prepared for them that love him. (10) But unto us God revealed them through the Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yes even, the deep things of God.


In Daniel 5:5 God speaks by having a hand write on the wall.
Daniel 5:5 RV In the same hour came forth the fingers of a man’s hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaster of the wall of the king’s palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.


Moses had God talk to him out of a thorn bush was burning.
Exodus 3:2-5 LITV And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to him in a flame of fire from the middle of a thorn bush. And he looked, and behold, the thorn bush was burning with fire, and the thorn bush was not burned up! (3) And Moses said, I will turn aside now and see this great sight, why the thorn bush is not burned up. (4) And Jehovah saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the thorn bush, and said, Moses! Moses! And he said, behold me. (5) And He said, do not come near here. Pull off your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.


Balaam, a false prophet, who succumbed to the desire for money, had his donkey talk to him.
Numbers 22:28-30 LITV And Jehovah opened the mouth of the ass, and she said to Balaam, What have I done to you that you have struck me these three times? (29) And Balaam said to the ass, because you have insulted me. If only there were a sword in my hand now I would kill you. (30) And the ass said to Balaam, Am I not your ass on which you have ridden all your life long to this day? Was I ever known to do so to you? And he said, No.

Consider Balaam’s reaction. You might think he would have freaked and ran. Perhaps Balaam understood something our civilized minds do not.


God can speak through a variety of methods that are beyond your wildest imagination, but we are told that His primary method in these days of ours is through His word. If you recognize all that Jesus encompasses, then you can begin to see all the possible ways God can speak to you.

Papa - What do you look like?
"Guess who's coming to dinner" Chapter 5, pp.82-

What we do know based upon God's word.

(1.) God is a spirit.
John 4:24 MKJV God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth.

The word John used for spirit is the Greek word pneuma - a current of air; that is breath (blast) or a breeze, by analogy or figuratively a spirit. This should have a familiar ring to us, as this was the designation for the Holy Spirit's arrival and presence.

The question then, is God merely breath?

Of the names of God, one is Elohim. This name to the Hebrew tongue means plurality, or a God of multiple characteristics. One of those is the Holy Spirit which Jesus, another aspect of God, said would come. The name most distinctive of God as the God of Israel is Jehovah, a combination of the tetragrammaton (YHWH) with the vowels of 'Adhonay, transliterated as Yehowah, but read aloud by the Hebrews 'adhonay). In Hebrew, it is pronounced almost as if it were breath sounds.
Keep in mind that if the kingdom of God is within you

(2.) God answered Moses when he asked to see God.
“…no one can see me and stay alive,”

Exodus 33:18-20 LITV And he said, I pray, let me see your glory. (19) And He said, I will cause all My goodness to pass before your face. And I will call out the name of Jehovah before your face. And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy. (20) And He said, you are not able to see My face; for no man can see Me and live.

The Hebrew words God used to explain this carries the implication that your physical body does not have the ability to perceive what I look like, for no one in a physical body has the ability to stand in the presence of pure love. Your bodies cannot handle it

(3.) God is love - "Agapao" love

1 John 4:16 LITV And we have known and have believed the love which God has in us. God is love, and the one abiding in love abides in God and God in him.

Love is not something you can see with your eyes, unless you can see its effects on the one that feels that strongly about something. To be in love with plants, is to be passionate about them, having an excitement that longs to excite others.
Wuest says: "'AGAPAO' speaks of a love which is awakened by a sense of value in an object which causes one to prize it. It springs from an opinion of the preciousness of an object. It is a love of esteem and support. The quality of this love is determined by the character of the one who loves, and that of the object loved. "
So then love is an action, based on an inner sense of value that moves us to act on behalf of that which we love.
(4.) Love is God’s character
1 John 4:16 LITV And we have known and have believed the love which God has in us. God is love, and the one abiding in love abides in God and God in him.
By learning about God you begin to recognize the love God has for us, and in so doing you begin to understand God. God does nothing outside of His character, which means He does nothing outside of love, no matter how it appears at the time.
(5.) God’s love is demonstrated by His actions
John 3:16 GNB For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life.

(6.) His love is something that you can comprehend
2Th 3:5 LITV And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God and into the patience of Christ.
The Good News bible translated the verse this way; "May the Lord lead you into a greater understanding of God's love and the endurance that is given by Christ."

The word direct is taken from two other Greek words and means to: to straighten fully, that is, (figuratively) direct: - guide, direct.

Side note: A popular radio apologist says that it is blasphemy to think that God looks like a man with perceptible features, and yet we know that God measured out the heavens with a span (Isa 40:12). The Hebrew word for span is zereth (zeh'-reth) meaning: the spread of the fingers, that is, a span. (We should also know that “God is light and there is no darkness in him at all” )

Why would God make a reference like this?
Is it because that is what He used, His hand. Or is God merely trying to make an analogy so that men could attempt to visualize who God is. If God made analogies that were not consistent with whom He was, that would make Him a liar, and nothing He has claimed could be trusted. It would also make the cross a futile effort, and Heaven could be considered a myth. Reality is that God is not a liar; He has never misrepresented Himself and science, as well as history has proven Him to be reality. God, acting out of love, has withheld judgments; there is nothing inconsistent about that, if He follows through with His word. Nineveh is an example of God’s withholding judgment, and yet Nineveh was finally destroyed, just as Jonah said.

Bottom line is that only Jesus who came from the Father knows precisely what the Father looks like. Jesus was and is the express image of God, in all ways. So that image we have of God being huge, mean and unapproachable should be rethought in light of Jesus. Jesus, himself said: “if you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”

Authors note:
This was as far as I got, and there is so much more. Perhaps someday I will find the time to continue. I hope this helps you in some way, it did me. The book was a challenge to me, but I choose not to throw it aside. I choose to keep an open mind and lead with my spirit. Things that challenged me became things that I pursued in God's word to find out if that is true or not. One of the biggest challenges was how God presented herself to Mack. That is not that difficult considering that one of God's names carries the connotation of being the breasty one. If God is light, then the color that God appears is irrelevant. Any problem you have with a black woman is your prejudice, anger, and judgment getting the best of you. You do not have any business acting that way, scripture tells you that. Try to remember that God loved you before Jesus death on the cross forgave and cleansed you of your crap filled life, and God has not changed his mind about you. Consider your emotions a wake up call and ask God to forgive you, then learn to walk in a new freedom. Love you guys! OZ

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