Showing posts with label wars. Show all posts
Showing posts with label wars. Show all posts

Sunday, September 25, 2022

This might seem like a bizarre question, but hardly anyone knows the answer. Is the last trumpet related to Armageddon?

 I am choosing to refrain from book studies, like the one I finished recently on Revelation. It was a blessing, but a bit tedious, and I needed a break. On the other hand, the small groups I have sat with, and even a few pastors, have given me fodder for Biblical conversations demonstrating how far we are from scripture and embedded in religious traditions. This is such a topic as we will try to answer the question,

Is this the “last trumpet” we see in 1 Corinthians 15, and is it associated with Armageddon?

I recently did a study on Armageddon because of a question such as this. I can tell you that this word only appears once in the King James version of the Bible. Try to find Armageddon in the NASB, and it does not show up.

“And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.” 
Revelation 16:16 

One witness (and there are supposed to be, at minimum, two [Read Deuteronomy 19:15]), and we are making a big deal out of this word, Armageddon.

Armageddon is a variation on the Meggido valley. It is also known as the Plain of Jezreel. Galilee sits in the center of the valley, as well as Nazareth. Mount Carmel, where Elijah killed the prophets of Baal, stands as the Southern boundary. And a fun fact is that this valley has been the location of every significant battle we see in the Bible.

I see three wars that will affect Israel in the time of wrath and one final battle also fought in the Meggido valley.

First, if you are new to Biblical things, our focus is on Israel. So the next war that will impact Israel will be Ezekiel 38 and 39. When this takes place will either be in the moments before the catching away of the church or right after. I point this out because we know that the antichrist will show up and immediately go about trying to make peace. Many will tell you that he is making peace with Israel, but the Bible says nothing to that effect; what it says is that he will make a covenant with many, which might equate to a ceasefire. The details of this attack can be found in Ezekiel 38:1-23. 


The second attack upon Israel happens at the mid-point of the seven years. (Read Matthew 24:15-25.) Daniel saw this attack in a prophetic vision and explains it in chapter 8, verse 13 

Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, "How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?" (Daniel 8:13 NASB)

The only motives I see for this second attack are driven by the entrance and activity of the false prophet. Most big-name Eschatology teachers will tell you that this is a leader from the revived Roman empire. I cannot accept that assertion because it tries to direct me to ignore history and a clear understanding of what Islam believes, which happens to coincide in many ways with Bible prophecy. Sadly, many will tell you that we cannot look at or consider extra-biblical information. If you only realized how much extra stuff you hold as a tradition. For example: Does God take children to heaven if they have not reached the age of accountability? Try to find that in your Bible; you can't because it is based on extra-biblical traditions, which you claim we have to ignore. The question itself is beyond difficult, especially when an eight-year-old child can intentionally take a gun to school and shoot another child because of some interaction. At what point do we declare a child to be accountable? It's a rhetorical question that does not require an answer.

Daniel 9 is another place where Daniel received an explanation of one of his visions.

"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.”(Daniel 9:26 NASB)

The sixty-two weeks is 62, seven-year periods – equaling 490 years, and they have already come. We know this because Jesus, the Messiah, was killed. The problem for most is that they can't figure out that the rest of this paragraph is still to come. The prince to come is the antichrist, and the sanctuary is the temple yet to be built. Because God gave us an example in the Roman ruler Titus, we assume that the people who are to come will also be Romans. The problem is that the troops under the Roman flag were in the majority conscripted Assyrian troops and had a burning hatred for the Jews. These are the people that destroyed the temple in 70AD, in disregard of Titus' orders to cease and desist. Disobedience to Roman orders usually meant death, but Josephus tells us that they did not seem to care what Titus said.

If you have doubts whether Daniel 9 speaks about war or not, note the end of the paragraph, where it says, “and the host to be trampled.” Host, in Hebrew, is indicative of a mass of people. The host is also indicative of God's people – IsraelTrampled is to tread down as in warfare or violence

The third instance of war and the only passage that uses Armageddon is Revelation 16:16.

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river, the Euphrates. and its water was dried up, so that the way would be prepared for the kings from the east. And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. ("Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.") And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon. (Revelation 16:12-16 NASB)

This is when Jesus comes back as the warring Messiah. Israel should be ecstatic as this is who they have been waiting for.

Revelation 19 tells us all about this war at the end of the wrath.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.” (Revelation 19:11-14 NASB)

Do your homework, and you will find He only kills those who came to fight; this in no way means that the others who stayed back and continued to wallow in their hatred will be indiscriminately killed; as they are allowed to live and maintain their free will.

Revelation 20 describes the last war (if you can call it that,) – the fourth war since the wrath, to be fought in the Jezreel valley.

When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” (Revelation 20:7-10 NASB)

Once they rallied around the Holy City God simply burns them up, and no one on God's team breaks a sweat.

In case you wondered how such a large quantity of people, who have seen God's love and grace in action, could put their brains in park and try to kill God and His people, they are deceived by demons. Allow me to point something out; there are only two people in hell at this point in time, the antichrist and the false prophet. They were thrown into the lake of fire at the end of the seven years.

Paul tells us of the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15.

“Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, (52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.”
(1 Corinthians 15:51-52 NASB)

I have looked at as much information about Rosh Hashana as I can handle, and although I perceive that it is two days of shofar blowing, there does not seem to be a designated “last” trumpet of the day. Did you even think about the ramifications of that? As the earth rotates every few seconds, someone new gains the right to blow the “last” trumpet blast.

So, while I cannot say there is NO last trumpet, there is nothing like the Revelation to spell out how many nor how we would know. I will, however, point out that more than many others, Paul knew about Yom Teruah, or the Feast of Trumpets, even if it does not answer our question about how we might know when to look for this “last trumpet.”

Note that this particular trumpet is associated with: the twinkling of an eye, the dead being raised imperishable, and the fact that we will be changed.

Paul, so to speak, went after those disparaging some who were trying to maintain their Jewish heritage. Paul writes.

So don't let anyone pass judgment on you in connection with eating and drinking, or in regard to a Jewish festival or Rosh-Hodesh or Shabbat. These are a shadow of things that are coming, but the body is of the Messiah.”
(Colossians 2:16-17 CJB)

If you can grasp what these days mean to the Jews, you will understand that there are many reasons to hope for Jesus to catch the church away on this Feast of Trumpets. Therefore, while it will be the last trumpet for those that follow Jesus Christ, it is certainly NOT the last trumpet as far as God is concerned.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 refers to us as being changed.

Changed is the Greek word allassō and means to be made different.

But different in what way?

I have for years felt led to try and educate the Christian community. Therefore, I feel comfortable saying, as though you would understand when I say it, knowing the scriptures, we understand that this means we will be sin free, be like Him, and finally immortal. The other aspect of this change is that we change locations to our next home, which is in heaven with Him.

He will take our weak mortal bodies and change them into glorious bodies like his own, using the same power with which he will bring everything under his control.” (Philippians 3:21 NLT)

Let's consider the word trumpet for a moment.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.”
(1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 NASB)

We seem to have exhaustive discussions about a pre-tribulation rapture based upon Revelation 4:1.

After these things, I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things."
(Revelation 4:1 NASB)

Notice that it says, after these things; what things is “He” talking about? The end of the church age, which we just witnessed in Revelation 1-3. Considering that we are caught up to be with Jesus with a trump, it is no coincidence that John is drawn up into heaven by the voice of a trumpet, where he gets to witness the wrath of God that is to come.

Now, if you were referring to the seventh trumpet, then you have to consider that this seventh event continues to bring on God's judgment and wrath.

The trumpets in Scripture are of great significance in eschatology in determining when the rapture of the church takes place (1Th_4:13-18). This involves the question of whether the mention of the "last trumpet" in 1Co_15:52, simply referred to as "the trumpet" in 1Th_4:16, is the same as the seventh trumpet in Rev_11:11-15. Some assume that these trumpets are identical and thus presume that the rapture of the church will take place at the time of the occurrence of the seventh trumpet of Rev_11:15. This seventh trumpet is in the middle or toward the latter part of the seven-year tribulation period, i.e., Daniel's prophetic seventieth week.” (Dan_9:25-27). Finis Dake

This last paragraph says it all, the seventh trumpet is only associated with the midpoint or the end of the seven years.

Pay attention to the words in Revelation 11:15.

Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever." (Revelation 11:15 NASB)

This is the last of seven. The last of the current set of woe (all of which are a part of God's wrath.)

We have to go back to Revelation chapter 8 to find the seven trumpets.

"And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them." (Revelation 8:2 NASB)

What do we see in Revelation 8?

Tremendous destruction of the earth and the heavens. Revelation 8:13 gives an ominous warning.

"Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in mid-heaven, saying with a loud voice, "Woe, woe, woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!"
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Revelation 8:13 NASB)

The fifth trumpet.

Then the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven which had fallen to the earth; and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him. He opened the bottomless pit, and smoke went up out of the pit, like the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke of the pit. Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power. They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. And they were not permitted to kill anyone, but to torment for five months; and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man. And in those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, and death flees from them. The appearance of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle; and on their heads appeared to be crowns like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. They had hair like the hair of women, and their teeth were like the teeth of lions. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to battle. They have tails like scorpions, and stings; and in their tails is their power to hurt men for five months. They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon. The first woe is past; behold, two woes are still coming after these things.”
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Revelation 9:1-12 NASB)

Do not think for a second that these are ordinary locusts; they are not, simply because there is NOTHING on earth like this. Look at the description that I highlighted.

The sixth trumpet.

"Then the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, one saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they would kill a third of mankind. The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. And this is how I saw in the vision the horses and those who sat on them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceed fire and smoke and brimstone. A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which proceeded out of their mouths. For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with them they do harm. The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts."
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Revelation 9:13-21 NASB)

Here, the four angels bound under the Euphrates have been released. The entirety of their purpose is to kill one-third of the population of those still on the earth.

Why make that statement?

Because the slaughter of humanity has been an ongoing process since the opening of the first seal and the rider on the white horse.

With the seventh angel, with the seventh trumpet, Revelation 10:7 tells us, "the mystery of God is finished."

What do we see?

"Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, "Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months."
(Revelation 11:1-2 NASB)

What does this mean?

The new temple to be built will be given to the Gentiles.

Look at these passages.

"..., For aliens have entered The holy places of the LORD'S house."
(Jeremiah 51:51 NASB)

Aliens are the Hebrew word zur and also means foreigners, illegitimate persons, and laymen. Do not consider these laymen Jews, as we are most likely talking about Muslims.

Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the Gentiles as a vessel wherein is no pleasure.”
(Hosea 8:8 KJV)

Hosea's words have taken on new meaning as of September 2022, as the interim Prime Minister of Israel, Yair Lapid, addressed the UN and said Israel is willing to solve the Palestinian problem by splitting Jerusalem. I do not think he speaks for the majority of Israel; I do, however, think he speaks to and for our “American President” Joe Biden and his handlers, who I am pretty sure have exposed a crack in the Jewish governmental infrastructure and pressured Lapid into suggesting such a horrid thing, especially since it goes against God's law.

If you don't know what a Gentile is, let me help you. Since the overwhelming majority of scripture is centered around Jerusalem and the Jewish people, then a Gentile is ANYONE outside of the Jewish religion. So, consider who might be trying to create an abomination in what will be the newest Jewish temple – in Jerusalem? It doesn't take long to envision Hamas and the Palestinians. Guess what? The “Gentiles” among the Israelites want it all to themselves. It would not bother them if Israel were to be swallowed up.

Finally, the trumpet is sounded.

Revelation 11:15 MKJV  "And the seventh angel sounded. And there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ. And He will reign forever and ever."

Here the narrator uses a mix of present and future tense:

  1. Present -"The kingdoms of this world have become,"

  2. A future tense when He says, " And He will reign forever and ever."

So what is my understanding of this?

God is not concerned about the timing of these events, as they are all one package about to be opened. But, I might also note that He is the God with no beginning and no end, which may significantly impact how He handles the timing of these events.

The end result will leave no loose strings.

Some will not see this as there are passages that indicate people, with their option of free will still intact, are worshiping Satan and self.

Revelation 21:8,27 (MKJV)  “But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. b.)And there shall in no way enter into it anything that defiles, or any making an abomination or a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.”

And there is that bit about one last battle before the judgment seat of Christ,

And when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be loosed out of his prison. And he will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle. The number of them is as the sand of the sea. And they went up over the breadth of the earth and circled around the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of Heaven and devoured them. And the Devil who deceived them was cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet were. And he will be tormented day and night forever and ever. (Revelation 20:7-10 MKJV)



Saturday, August 11, 2018

In Ezekiel 39 what has taken place so far?

I do nothing quickly, but I am going to try; let's begin with a short recap.
In Ezekiel 39 what has taken place so far? Though it is not spelled out, as some might wish, Gog and his armies have attacked Israel – from every direction.
A Fire has rained upon Gog and his armies, as well as the coastal lands. One might presume that these coastal lands would be strictly associated with the Mediterranean region, but that can be nothing more than an assumption. Since the word fire is a somewhat generic term meaning heat, then we cannot exclude the idea of nuclear strikes. But this idea creates other problems, for how and why would God have atomic weapons? The problem with our thinking is that we see God as the creator and holder of this fire. While it is true that God generated the sulfur and brimstone hail that rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah, He is also adept at using the armies of enemies, along with their stockpiles of weapons, to bring judgment (and that is what this is,) against Israel and Gog. Nuclear weapons, as you can imagine, kill everyone within range, not just an enemy, and therefore many within Israel will die.
So, in killing off Gog, God has managed to kill off a large quantity of Israel as well.
Ezekiel 39:22 NET. Then the house of Israel will know that I am the LORD their God, from that day forward.
What is the timing of this war? There are several possibilities.
  1. Some, because of the reference to Gog, believe that this happens at the end of the Millennial reign. Let's see if that argument holds up.
    Revelation 20:7-8 ISV When the thousand years are over, Satan will be freed from his prison. 8) He will go out to deceive Gog and Magog, the nations at the four corners of the earth, and gather them for war. They are as numerous as the sands of the seashore.
    Using the ISV, as I have, you can see that Gog is no longer a person, but a people group. That definition alone should dispel the idea that Gog himself must be there in this battle. The verse itself shows that the people groups of Gog and Magog, are spread to the four corners of the earth; and, they are as numerous as the sands of the seashore. In speaking to Abram, God said,
    Genesis 13:16 NET. And I will make your descendants like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone is able to count the dust of the earth, then your descendants also can be counted.
    God wasn't just talking about the descendants through Issac; he was talking about Ishmael and Esau as well.
    Genesis 17:20 DRB And as for Ismael I have also heard thee. Behold, I will bless him, and increase, and multiply him exceedingly: he shall beget twelve chiefs, and I will make him a great nation.
    With this information, you should be able to see that many of this line of descendants have been destined for this moment. So what we see in Ezekiel is NOT the final war of Revelation 20.
  2. Because there is a Mosque in Jerusalem, The Dome of the Rock. It is safe to assume that there will be no temple as long as that Mosque stands, and yet, as any student of Eschatology knows, there will be a final temple built by man. How convenient would it be if God blew the Mosque off the map with this firestorm? It seems that this war with Gog could play right into that scenario. So, let's pursue that timing out for a moment.
    This idea of a temple being built falls into place with several other events, such as the Antichrist collecting signatures on his peace treaty (which does not have to include Israel.)
    We also know that two witnesses from God, appear and stand in the streets of Jerusalem for 1260 days. The tumult will be incredible, and in a sense, people will be trying to survive. Since no Palestinian will tolerate the temple being built, these two from God may play a role in keeping a relative peace (especially since they can call fire down upon anyone who tries to harm them.)
    While I don't pay much attention to modern day prophetic words, I will give more credence to a word if it is something that God was speaking to my heart about, or, I see the same theme in the scriptures.
    When I read my bible I keep seeing a war that breaks out right before the catching away of the Church, or immediately after thereafter. As I said in my previous post, the timing here would put everything after the “rapture” into the category of God's judgment. And, since it becomes clear that Israel is the object of God's judgment, then to have this war with Gog immediately after the rapture makes all the sense in the world; (and yes, I am well aware that God does not need my opinion about when He can make his moves in this earth.)
    Having been asked numerous times if I thought that we, as a church, would go through the tribulation, the answer is yes; but, I believe that the answer to that question is already skewed. It is skewed, or maybe a better word is biased because the person asking the question has intertwined the last seven-years of judgment into what Jesus said would be an everyday lifestyle, tribulation.
    Don't get me wrong, I understand that what we like to call the tribulation is the last seven years, but misnaming this period has done far too much harm. When these arguments and terms come up, I often say, tribulation seems to be a relevant issue, for there are followers of Christ all around the world that are dying daily because of their faith in Jesus, while the person asking the question effectively lives in the protected lap of luxury.
There is, without a doubt in my mind, two more wars, if we consider Jesus, rather violent return, one of them. When the Antichrist breaks the covenant at 1260 days, several events happen.
  1. So let's consider what will happen when the Antichrist breaks the covenant midway through the seven-year period.
    • The two witnesses are allowed to die, be resurrected after three days, and return to the Father.
    • The False prophet will divulge his true identity. This false prophet has full access to the Holy of Holies in the temple and therefore performs his desecration. As I read about his actions in the temple, I could not help but think, this man has to be a high priest (however, until recently I did not know there was one. Islam too believes that a man like this will come. When he makes his move, he will give his allegiance to the Mahdi. That action means that he worships the beast and takes his mark. He will set up the image of the beast and make it talk; this also implies that the false prophet worships the image as well, and, he expects all to follow his lead just as he has done. In addition to what seems like the biggest betrayal in the world, there are the amazing miracles this false prophet, now empowered by the beast, performs. Because of his clout, miracles, and actions: like converting to Islam, many of the elite Jews, and a few others will be deceived and follow him. You can look this up in Matthew 24:24.
      Let's go back to this idea that the false prophet has access to the Holiest place in the temple for a moment. Mere access would mean that he is the high priest unless he comes by force – but scripture does not show us that. Sometime around August of 2016, the Sanhedrin appointed such a person. His name is Rabbi Baruch Kahane. With that piece of information, we may be looking at the man who could potentially become the false prophet. Yes I know, I sound like an angry, slanderous, fool; but what if I am right. You see the problem with having prophetic insight is that no one believes you until it is too late.
      Islam, once again, gives us some insight into this false prophet, as he will become the enforcer of Sharia law. This move to enforce Sharia is when the martyrdom of those who follow Jesus will become almost pandemic in proportions. It is of this time that we are told, and it will become so horrific that if God does not stop it, no one will survive.
      In trying to find some definition, war-wise, that explains what will happen when the false prophet comes into his own; Daniel is the prime source that comes to mind. I am trying to conserve space, so I want you to look these verses up for yourselves. Daniel 11:38-45. Pay attention to verse 44 because it conveys what seems to be a theme throughout his reign.
      Daniel 11:44 KJV But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
      Verse 41 tells us that many countries shall be overthrown. If you understand the goals of Islam, then you know that they have come to take over and turn your country into a Muslim nation. The Qu'ran gives the impression that money is evil, in spite of this, the Antichrist person, we are told in Daniel 11:43 “shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver." So he is an enigma, to say the least.
      Daniel 11:45 KJV ... yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
      Does he come to an end because Christ comes back, or, do the purists find him to be out of line with the standards outlined in the Qu'ran? Hard to say, as the truth about most dictators is that they are after money and power.
  1. Thankfully, point three is the perfect transition into Christ's return as the Conquering Messiah.
    Revelation 19:11 KJV And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:19 KJV And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Revelation 19:21 KJV And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
    Whether this takes minutes, hours, or days is indeed none of our concern, as merely knowing that the Millennial reign will begin rapidly, and peace will rule for a thousand years. My mind has never understood peace, as I have battled with mild depression and anxiety for many years now.
I opened with a brief discussion about the final war. When you read the account in Revelation, you can see that God is talking about people groups, NOT a man called Gog. Regardless, this war ends rather quickly, again with a fire strike, and then the White Throne judgment. The best part is that we all slide off into an undisturbed eternity with the Father. How I long for that day, for in a moment, a twinkling of the eye, we shall be changed, and then, we shall be like Him.

Monday, March 13, 2017

End times wars of the Bible. Part one.

Almost all my blogs originate from horrific teachings or conversations which demonstrate how little we know or understand. The Wars of the End Times is no exception.
There are a number of wars connected with the end times. Names associated with these wars include God and Magog; Armageddon. Locations are the mountains of Israel and the Megiddo valley.
The Gog/Magog war of Ezekiel 38 and 39
What are the questions that concern us as we try to answer when this battle takes place and who is involved?
Where does this person or army come from?
Ezekiel 38:15 NASB "You will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army;
Magog is considered to be in the North, and it is often defined as Moscow, the capital of Russia. However, there are other nations that lie directly north of Israel, and they are Lebanon, Syria, and Turkey.
Ezekiel 38:2 NASB "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him
Although traditional generalizations point to Moscow, there is another city, which fits in many compelling ways, called Ankara; this just happens to be the capital of Turkey. Because they are a Muslim nation, they may easily exceed Russia in their hatred for Israel.
So when does this war take place?
All we seem to have is a logical assumption. Verses 19 and 20 may give us some clues, though.
Ezekiel 38:19-20 NASB "In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. (20) "The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse and every wall will fall to the ground.
Because these events sound much like the events we find in Great Tribulation - God's wrath, it is easy to assume that they take place within this time period.
There are some considerations we have to entertain:
The temple must be rebuilt, and as yet, there is no clear decision where to put it. There may be a solution for that, and we find it in Ezekiel 39:1-6
Look at phrases like:
    • I am against you and will bring you against the mountains of Israel.”
    • I will strike your bow from your left hand and dash down your arrows from your right hand. And, I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety;”
    • On that day I will give Gog a burial ground there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea, and it will block off those who would pass by.
The strongest potential for a war like this would be now or right after the rapture of the church. And yet, if you apply logic to scripture, where you see the Antichrist crying peace peace, you know must be a reason. Just look around you, and all you see is an escalation of violent talk and actions. As I pointed out, Magog will descend upon the mountains of Israel when the fire from God comes down. The potential for that fire destroying the Mosque that sits there is good, and, this may allow for immediate action in building the third and final temple.
All these considerations have a time frame, and therefore it makes sense that this Gog Magog war is poised to happen quickly and soon.
Do yourself a favor and read Ezekiel 38 and 39.
Another contender for last days Wars is Psalm 83
When you read this, you have to ask, is this present tense or a future event. This question is one of the main reasons why people will say that understanding the Bible is so difficult. The question, however, is necessary; will prompt you to study further, and, give you a greater understanding, should you pursue the answer.
Psalms 83:1-18 NASB A Song, a Psalm of Asaph. O God, do not remain quiet; Do not be silent and, O God, do not be still. (2) For behold, Your enemies make an uproar, And those who hate You have exalted themselves. (3) They make shrewd plans against Your people, And conspire together against Your treasured ones. (4) They have said, "Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation, That the name of Israel be remembered no more." (5) For they have conspired together with one mind; Against You they make a covenant: (6) The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, Moab and the Hagrites; (7) Gebal and Ammon and Amalek, Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre; (8) Assyria also has joined with them; They have become a help to the children of Lot. Selah. (9) Deal with them as with Midian, As with Sisera and Jabin at the torrent of Kishon, (10) Who were destroyed at En-dor, Who became as dung for the ground. (11) Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb And all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, (12) Who said, "Let us possess for ourselves The pastures of God." (13) O my God, make them like the whirling dust, Like chaff before the wind. (14) Like fire that burns the forest And like a flame that sets the mountains on fire, (15) So pursue them with Your tempest And terrify them with Your storm. (16) Fill their faces with dishonor, That they may seek Your name, O LORD. (17) Let them be ashamed and dismayed forever, And let them be humiliated and perish, (18) That they may know that You alone, whose name is the LORD, Are the Most High over all the earth.
The common assumption is that Psalm 83 is segregated from all other wars; but is it?
Ezekiel 38:8-10 NASB "After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them. (9) "You will go up, you will come like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you." (10) 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "It will come about on that day, that thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil plan,
Does the following statement, extracted from the paragraph above, have the potential for demonstrating that Israel will be surrounded?
"You will go up, you will come like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you."
Certainly, it does; the problematic aspect is the lack of mountains in the Southern regions of Israel and the idea that Gog would be brought down upon the mountains of Israel - in the north. But we ignore verses like:
Ezekiel 39:5-6 NASB "You will fall on the open field; for it is I who have spoken," declares the Lord GOD. (6) "And I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety; and they will know that I am the LORD.
This verse also speaks of God's wrath falling upon those in the fields and the coastlands. Many see the coast lands as the islands of the Mediterranean. If that is the case, then the scene has been expanded far beyond the limitations of the mountains of Israel.
Since we like to see parallel evidence, then let's consider some other examples that demonstrate multiple nations arising against Israel.
Ezekiel 30:3-6 NASB "For the day is near, Even the day of the LORD is near; It will be a day of clouds, A time of doom for the nations. (4) "A sword will come upon Egypt, And anguish will be in Ethiopia; When the slain fall in Egypt, They take away her wealth, And her foundations are torn down. (5) "EthiopiaPutLudall ArabiaLibya and the people of the land that is in league will fall with them by the sword." (6) 'Thus says the LORD, "Indeed, those who support Egypt will fall And the pride of her power will come down; From Migdol to Syene They will fall within her by the sword," Declares the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 38:4-5 NASB "I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords; (5) PersiaEthiopia and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet;
Jeremiah 46:7-10 NASB 7 Who is this that comes up as a flood, whose waters are moved as the rivers? 8 Egypt rises up like a flood, and his waters are moved like the rivers; and he says, I will go up, and will cover the earth; I will destroy the city and the inhabitants thereof. 9 Come up, all of you horses; and rage, all of you chariots; and let the mighty men come forth; the Ethiopians and the Libyans, that handle the shield; and the Lydians, that handle and bend the bow. 10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts has a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
A quick overview of potential nations are:
  • Persia (Modern day Iran, however, the range was must larger encompassing all of the Assyria.)
  • Ethiopia, Put (Most associate Put with Libya)
  • Lydia “along with Caria, Mysia, and Phrygia, a part of the Roman province of Asia (see ASIA). Chief among its cities were Smyrna and Ephesus, two of the most important in Asia Minor, and Smyrna is still the largest and wealthiest city of that part of Turkey.” (Morrish)
  • Lud, Ludim [Lu'dim] and the Lydians are one and the same. They are said to have inhabited northwest Africa. This may align with the Sudan.
Nations that come against Israel and where they come from.
If it helps with understanding a look at genealogies will clear things up.
And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. (Gen 10:6)
If this sounds familiar, that is because Ham was one of Noah's sons, and, he was the one who “saw” his father's nakedness and was cursed for it.
Son of Mizraim
Gen 10:13 (UKJV) And Mizraim brings forth Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
1 Chronicles 1:11-12 NASB (11) Mizraim became the father of the people of Lud, Anam, Lehab, Naphtuh, (12) Pathrus, Casluh, from which the Philistines came, and Caphtor.
Mizraim's descendants are mentioned with Phut and are held to have inhabited the northwest of Africa. Isa. 66:19; Ezek. 27:10. The same district is called LYDIA (though the Hebrew is simply Lud) and its inhabitants, LYDIANS, in Jer. 46:9; Ezek. 30:5. (From a commentary by Moresh)
The Sons of Shem. Gen. 10:22; 1 Chr. 1:17. See SHEM.
Shem had five sons:
  • ELAM — originally settled in the province of Persia, of which Susa was the capital.
  • ASSHUR — strictly Assyria, but in an extended sense may have included Babylonia and the land of the Chaldees.
  • ARPHAXAD — recognized by Josephus and others as the father of the Chaldees. The name is supposed to have been preserved in the province Arrapachitis in northern Assyria.
  • LUD — said by Josephus to have been the father of the Lydians of Asia Minor (these are distinct from the Lud and Ludim in Africa).
  • ARAM — the name of Syria, but more especially, referring to the high land of Lebanon. Gen. 5:32; Gen. 9:18-27; Gen. 10:21-31; Gen. 11:10, 11; 1 Chr. 17:24. In Luke 3:36 the same name is called SEM.
All of these have had deadly results upon Israel and played various roles in their captivity and dispersion among the nations.
So, we have one decisive battle, the Gog/Magog war, and one possibility, an unnamed war in which Israel is surrounded; however, Israel is and always has been surrounded by enemies. The descriptions we see in Psalm 83 could easily apply to the Gog/Magog war.

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