Showing posts with label a mouth. Show all posts
Showing posts with label a mouth. Show all posts

Friday, September 17, 2021

And a mouth was given to him. Revelation 13:5-10.

Without perspective, the world looks flat; well, it does.

Fortunately, we, through the scriptures, have a perspective that allows us to see narrow and broad views. We have also had adventurous explorers and astronauts who proved that the earth was NOT flat. Over the course of time, humanity has managed to launch crewed space vehicles, and those crews were able to look back at the ball-shaped world we live on, take pictures of it as it rotated, adding to the evidence that the earth is round. It was their perspective, or point of view, that allowed them to do that.

So, as we try to understand the Revelation, especially chapter 13:3-6, we must keep the context and

perspective in our thinking. I have mentioned, several times, through the last few posts, that the central focus of the Revelation (and hence, the perspective,) is the Middle East and the Mediterranean Ocean.

In God's perspective, the entire mystery, plan of redemption, and the millennial reign is centered around the land He promised Abraham. Perhaps it is about time we remembered, God has not and will never back away from that promise; and, He plans to set the New Jerusalem in that same area, which, by the way, is 1500 miles square; for you who use the metric system that is approximately 3885 kilometers squared.

At this point in time we have made it to Revelation 13:5-8. I will be surprised it gets beyond verse 8.

So what has been happening up to this point in chapter 13?

Then I (John, in this extremely vivid vision,)

stood on the sand of the sea (Both the sand and the sea are representative of the hordes of people that are descendants of Abraham, both from Ishmael and Isaac,)

and I saw a Beast rising out of the sea with ten horns and seven heads, ten diadems on his horns, and blasphemous titles on his heads. The Beast I saw resembled a leopard, his feet were like a bear's, and his mouth like a lion's (Pay attention here, as the beast is first the description of empires or kingdoms, and then, like a butterfly morphs into a man.)

To him the dragon gave his own power and his own throne and great authority (The dragon is Satan. Many, it would seem, have been given power and authority to perform atrocities.)

One of his heads looked as if it had been slain and killed, but the deadly wound was healed (There is NO man with multiple heads, but there are kingdoms. Try thinking in terms of a Caliphate and this might make more sense to you, as the Ottoman Caliphate, which was effectively killed in 1924 and yet resurrected in 1979 under the guise of the Islamic revolution fits this description well,)

and the whole earth went after him in wonder (If we attribute this description to Allah – a demonic entity which no one has seen, then this too makes more sense,)

worshiping the dragon for having given authority to the Beast, and worshiping the Beast with the cry, "Who is like the Beast? Who can fight with him?" (Since the so-called overthrow of Afghanistan, the Islamic world is crying out a similar message, who can fight against the Taliban, but the underlying motive for the Taliban is a strict reading and understanding of the Quran.)

(Revelation 13:1-4 Moffatt NT) [Italics are mine.]

Page one.



The information above is brief, and, it is information that I have covered in detail in my previous posts. (Read Daniel chapters 2:17-45; Chapter 7; 8:22-25; 9:26,27; 11:28-45; Chapter12)

We know who the first three of these beast/kings are: Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian empire, the Medo-Persian empire under the rule of Darius, and the Grecian empire under Alexander:s dominance. There is no immense gap in time as though we are awaiting the Roman empire to come along, as many would imply, for upon Alexander’s death four of his generals contended for power. Two victorious Grecian generals emerged, Seleucid in the North and Ptolemy in the South. It is those two empires and their integration with the Assyrian nations that still haunt us today.


Daniel expressly asks about the fourth beast. Daniel 7:19-23, and this is the answer he received.

Then he said to me, “This fourth beast is the fourth world power that will rule the earth. It will be different from all the others. It will devour the whole world, trampling and crushing everything in its path.” (Daniel 7:23 NLT)

Is it possible that we are talking about the Roman empire?

Many Bible teachers would love to tell you that we are looking for the return of the Roman Empire as the beast that rises again, however, the bible itself tells us, in a variety of locations and ways, that it is NOT the Roman Empire. Read the description and try to tell me, that Roman empire is different from any other empire, as they have all been strong, devoured, and crushed their victims.

What if it is the Ottoman Caliphate, as I have pointed out, that took the provebial shot to the head, and, therefore, stood the greatest chance to comeback to life?

You should know that while the Ottoman empire is gone, many followers of Islam are pushing hard for the return to the rule of a Caliphate, and we may have seen the resurrection with the Islamic revolution of 1979.

What makes this empire different?

It is religiously driven. If you were paying attention one of the things the Taliban did after gaining control of Afghanistan, was to round up all the Christians and kill them. The Taliban leadership projected this slaughter to be complete by Friday, Sept 10, 2021. As a side note, they also went to the music academy in Kabul and destroyed all the musical instruments because the Quran does not allow for musical instruments either. We have never seen more vicious people that were religiously driven, and that makes them different.

How did I start this post?

By talking about having a perspective that is focused on the Middle East.

Is it possible that what we have seen happen in the Middle East can happen in America?

Absolutely, and because our government has masked and covered up what is going on, we have progressively been inundated with governmental decision-makers that hold to Sharia law. Many citizens of America refuse to see this. Here is a couple websites to enlighten you to the subtle changes happening to our governing bodies.

Summary of H.Res. 576: Recognizing Islam as "one of the great religions of the world.". https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hres576/summary

I am told that Islam is an ideology and not a religion, but it does not matter.

Another website points out the Muslims elected in 2020.
https://deplorablekel.com/category/islam-in-the-u-s/muslim-candidates-2020/

The idea behind showing you this information is NOT to promote hatred, but you need to know that the Quran demands Jihad against those who do not follow Islam. The triggers for these attacks is often associated with hate messages from an Imam at a local Mosque.

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How long before this all turns against the citizens of this country, like it has in Britain?

The point here is, we are in the last days and America will fall; you have been watching it happen.

Why tell you any of this?

Because scripture starts off talking about a beast with four heads, which represents kingdoms, and then redirects our attention to a singular entity, and refers to that entity as him. As if you needed more puzzle pieces, the four-headed oddity and the man is both referred to as the beast.

Back to the verse at hand where we find a clue that might answer the question as to who or what we are looking at, and how we might expect this particular beast to act.

Revelation 13:5-6 NASB There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. (6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

If I am looking at one of the heads of this four-headed beast, then according to Revelation 13:5, there has to be a spokesperson, “a mouth” that is assigned to speak on behalf of the beast.

Common sense tells you that this mouth should be a politically correct diplomat, because that is what kingdoms who want to survive in the global marketplace, do. But NOT this person and NOT this empire. (You may have noticed that I am trying to be socially correct and NOT refer to this “mouth” as a man, because several women have held positions as diplomats, like Nikki Haley, the former governor of South Carolina. Try as I may, I am wasting my time because the Muslims will never accept a woman in leadership, nor will they accept an infidel.)

What if the mouth is NOT the spokesperson of an Islamic nation? 

Then this “mouth,” who you would think would be in opposition to a leadership mired in money lust, strangely speaks in admiration of the “kingdom.” The dynamics surrounding the antichrist - the mouthpiece then change, and none of this makes much sense.

Could I focus on a broader picture, like the Assyrians - an entity that is difficult to define and yet contains subsets of most Islamic groups?

This too opens the door to an Islamic spokesperson. We heard our, former American president, Barack Obama, on many occasions, speak longingly of the Islamic religion. Keep this in mind, Revelation 13:5 tells us he speaks arrogant words and blasphemies.

A collection of interesting words.

Arrogant is the Greek word megas and means great, numerous, large in size, and too much. It is becoming increasingly apparent that this guy talks too much.

Blasphemies - it seems that few truly knows what this means, as many Pastors will lead you to believe that your sins - a blasphemy of God, would prevent you from entering heaven.

An excellent definition came one day as Jesus cast the demons out of a possessed child, only to have the Pharisees and scribes accuse Him of casting out demons by the power of Satan (Beelzebub.) Jesus, responded angrily to them because they had crossed the line by attributing the things and power of God to Satan. Since there are NO other gods, then attributing the things of God and the power of God, to Allah – a god of Satan's creation, should be a blaphemy, don't you think?

Blasphemy is the Greek word blasphēmia and means to vilify or slander.

To vilify is to attempt to defame someone, while slander adds to the act of vilifying by attempting to injure by maliciously uttering a false report respecting another person. The two words are so similar.

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This “mouth” or spokesperson is attempting to defame and injure God, Jesus, and anyone who follows Him, by uttering a false report. Right now, in America, we are coming to the point of vilifying conservatives and Christian conservatives by saying that we are cause of Covid 19 spreading when in reality it is the globalist agenda and those who pursue that agenda, that have spread this lousy flu, so that they can shove their “vaccine” into you.

Even though this mouth only goes on for 42 months so many horrendous things will be happening, as none of this begins, in earnest, until the church is removed from the earth.

And watch what the next verse brings.

Revelation 13:7 NASB It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

This spokesperson is now making war with the saints, just as the Taliban made war with their bullets and short swords against the saints in Afghanistan and overcame them,.

These saints are some of the martyred that John saw in heaven. When the wrath of God begins, anyone who dies for following after Jesus becomes one of the martyred saints.

How is it possible that this spokesperson gains “authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation”?

Because he is part of the globalists plan for world domination, at least for 42 months, then, with the cooperation of Muslim nations warfare will erupt against anyone who is not a Muslim; and, there are Muslims in every nation.

Revelation 13:8 NASB All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

If I can picture a Muslim antichrist, then I can understand better why “all” will worship him. It is definitely NOT all, but a vast number.

Worship is the Greek word proskyneō. We have seen this before in a previous post. It means to do reverence or homage by kissing the hand, to do reverence or homage by prostration, to pay divine homage.

If I go back to Revelation 13:4, we see “the whole earth” worshiping the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and hence they gave reverence and allegiance to the beast. God's commandment about worshiping Him only can be seen in Deuteronomy 6:13,14. This is the passage from which Jesus constructed His response to Satan. So the "world's " worship of the beast must be especially annoying to God.

"You shall fear only the LORD your God; and you shall worship Him and swear by His name. "You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you,” 

(Deuteronomy 6:13-14 NASB)

Notice how Revelation 13:8 tells us that the only ones worshiping the antichrist, are those whose names ARE NOT written in the Lamb's book of life. Their names being written happened before the foundation of the world, and it is only God's projection of a future event, your coming to Him, that would prompt Him to write your name down. 

It is uncomfortable writing someting like this, as I am aware that I am projecting my humanity into the equation, and God does not have to respond to our frailties, although I have seen the evidence that He does.


Page four.

  • "Everyone whose name is written in the Lamb's book of life,"

Even during the time of wrath, people are sealed, not as the 144,000 who are protected from the locusts with the scorpion like tails, and though sealed by the Holy Spirit of God they are still subject to death and the pains of the time period. 

Honestly, I am not sure I grasp this, but it is clear that we are dealing with the time of wrath. 

Many would tell you that only sinners go through the time of wrath, but it is becoming clear that this is not the case. 

In the paragraphs below I talk about the ten virgins. 

VIRGINS, how many implications can a person read into this word, and yet half of the number invited missed the call to come to the wedding. 

There is a correlation between this event and call for the church home to be with Jesus.

  • If their names ARE written in the Lamb's book of Life, why then did they not go up in the rapture?

    Even after the rapture, people still come into relationship with Jesus Christ, and it could be that this is a huge clue. Unfortunately, even this logic fails because God knew what they would do and therefore wrote their names in the book before the earth was made. So, I am still stuck with the question.

Consider the ten virgins of Matthew 25. 

    All were virgins, and because of that one might think they all had their names in the Lamb's book of Life. 

    They all got the same invitation, so none were judged for anything; and yet, 50% of them did not make it in. 

What did those 50% do differently?

    We assume they all had the same opportunity to check their lamps. But then, seeing as they did not know the exact time or the hour when the bridegroom would call them to the wedding, perhaps it was one of those waiting until the last minute things. 

    We assume they all had the knowledge and insight to trim their wicks, but to the 50% it was not that important. 

    We assume they have oil, and if not had plenty of time to obtain more; but 50% of them did nothing to prepare.

When we read the story of the ten virgins, do we see any condemnation from the Father?

    The answer is NO, but we assume there is, as the alternative to going into the wedding is to endure what you will be exposed to on the outside; in this case it is the wrath of God. I must think on this.

Why else would God have this story brought to our attention?

    Maybe there is more to the story than we thought. 

    Maybe their names were written in the book of life knowing that they would go through something that was not meant for God's children. How is that even possible, and yet is seems that many will go through the wrath.

    Maybe God is more merciful than we have been led to believe.

Where then does this presumed condemnation come from?

    From the reader. We impose all varieties of guilt and foolishness to the five who did not make into the wedding.

Have you ever asked, why didn't they merely follow those who had light?

    I would have.

Page five.


Revelation 13:9 NASB If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

What a strange statement. We all have ears, but assuredly, we do not all hear.

The phrase an ear' is the Greek word ous and means the obvious, but there is a catch as it can also apply to mental perception.

If you are not hearing from God or His Word, then you either have a veil over your eyes from the enemy, which in many cases has to do with some activity of your choosing that affronts God; or, you merely choose not to hear.

Here in California, at the time of this writing, we have one more day to vote to remove our Governor from office and put someone else in his place. A person close to the family is simply going to let the vote just slide by and, therefore, either eliminate the necessity of making an informed decision, or they are declining just so that they can throw their left leaning ideals in our faces. To do nothing, much like the agnostic, is making a choice for the opposition; this person has ears, but they refuse to face facts and consequences. (By the way, the majority voted to keep the man, who for a time, locked us out of our churches. The saddest part of this, is that the majority, giving into the propaganda, believed that the only one capable of displacing the Governor was going to kill us by taking away a mask mandate. He was not taking away your lousy mask, he was merely giving you the choice to wear one, and I believe we should all have a choice.)


Revelation 13:10 CJB "If anyone is meant for captivity, into captivity he goes! If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he is to be killed!" This is when God's holy people must persevere and trust!

Focus on the context and don't get lost in the words, as we are dealing with the time of wrath. So when something like this gets said, the words apply to events within the time period known as God's wrath (or the tribulation, for those who will not read their bibles.)

Could the possibility of being killed or captured apply to things outside of the “tribulation”?

Yes, but because humanity will continue to do depraved things to other people; this happens because the others are of a different religion, practice a religion, have a different skin color, or whatever suits the need for the day. What we see, on a daily basis, is groups like Boko Haran, or the Taliban (ISIS), killing Christians as they go to church,  meet in church, or identify as a Christian.

  • If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he is to be killed.”

What this says to me is that though many may think they can fight back, they will be killed in the manner they chose, most often by return fire. The Holy Spirit is giving you a heads up, though you may take out many of those you deem the enemy, you will die or go into captivity.

Take note: captivity is certainly going to happen during this time period. I wonder who will take the Christians captive? It is beginning to be quite obvious that the government will be a major player in taking us captive; it is happening already in Australia.

I used the Complete Jewish Bible for my translation of this verse. I appreciate how the verse ends; This is when God's holy people must persevere and trust!”

Who are God's holy people?

The Jews. 

I can, by extension, apply these words to those who come to Jesus during the time of wrath as well, as they would be deemed to be grafted into the vine. No doubt there are some who upon reading this who will say, then why didn't God just rapture them up to heaven and bypass the horrors down here. Because, this is all happening after the catching away of the church, and the time of grace is up. It was almost as though we had a free ride for a while, now, you get to prove your love and affection for God with your life.

So God's admonition is, This is when God's holy people must persevere and trust!”

Persevere, in it's simplest form, is to hold on.

Confidence is a reliance or resting the mind on the integrity of the Father.


I wrtite these things because I do not want you to have to go through the time of wrath. If you are a follower of Christ and actively waiting for His return for His bride, then you will escape the wrath. If not, then admit that you are a sinner and that you need His love and mercy for your life. Honestly give your life to Jesus, and you will be a Son of the Father.







Monday, January 25, 2021

I want you to see a belligirent commentary I received and how I responded.

 

This is the original comment.

Greetings in the name of Jesus and I hope you are covered by his blood. The mouth that roared is never the muslim movement in the singular .because throughout history they had never truly had world dominance Or conquered as much as the Pagan Roman Empire. Nor persecuted so many of God’s people during their rule . Even during our Christ’s human present on earth they were firmly in power and ruled the holy land of Israel . Pagan Rome in this passage is the dragon symbol gave its power to Christendom papacy Rome around 476 AD. Around the middle ages They had brought christianity in to the dark ages of a prophetical period of 1260 years or 42 months . Where bible abiding Christians were denied the right to read the bible and many persecuted for defying the papacy rule that was enforced by the state. Such as the long like of Sunday worship., paying indulgence, and purgatory and all the other laws of a man ‘mouth of a lion.’ Of course inDaniel 7 Daniel’s dream was of a-lion that was symbolic of Babylon the kingdom of King Nebuchadnezzar."


My response goes as follows:

Wow, greetings in the name of Jesus to you also.

I also hope you are covered by his blood because your hostile attitude doesn't demonstrate His love. I said it in this manner because, while it may be important to have a lively discussion, attacking people for stating their opinion – based on facts is not what I deem a lively discussion. 

I have a leftist living in my home, and this time of Presidential transition has been impossible in terms of conversation, as she bases her arguments on emotion and not facts, just as you have. 

It would seem that raising your voice to an angry level is supposed to help win your argument, but you are wrong, and I need you to know that you have NOT gained any sense of respect from me by the tone I perceive in your comments. Strangely, I am prone to allow remarks in opposition to remain as comments on my blog so that others can comprehend the type of garbage that many of us have been dealing with for most of our Christian lives. Surely you did not think I would let your attack just slide by.


You said, "The mouth that roared is never the muslim movement in the singular."

Let's tackle this for a moment. First, I do not and cannot understand your statement. It is certainly not a question, nor is it a respectable argument in rebuttal to anything I may have said in my post. In Daniel chapter seven, we are given two examples of a mouth. One is the description, and the other is the explanation – a fourth beast, out of which comes a little horn (another kingdom,) and out of this kingdom comes its spokesperson.


Daniel 7:7-8 NASB "After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. (8) "While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts."


We are NEVER given a firm definition of who the fourth empire is like we are with the first three. 

So arbitrarily assigning Rome as the fourth empire does not work scripturally.

Historically, we know that the third empire was the Grecian under Alexander, but few pay attention to the fact that upon Alexander's death, the empire fell under the rule of two remaining generals – Seleucid in the North and Ptolemy in the South. After the demise of these final two sub-empires, there were the Parthians and the Sassanids. 


In Joel Richardson's book, The Mideast Beast, he states: “Because of their Persian ethnicity and identity, the Parthians and Sassanids were not treated as distinct empires within Nebuchadnezzar’s dream;” and yet, we ignore them as the potential fourth empire; this is an interesting and yet confusing way to handle the interpretation of the iron legs of a statue.

The next passage conveys Daniel's desire to know the exact meaning of the fourth beast. Why? Because it was different from all the others, as it had a mouth and it was significantly larger in appearance than the others. You can look this up in Daniel 7:19-20.

We see this mouth one more time in Revelation.

Revelation 13:5-7 NASB There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. (6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven. (7) It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.


Notice that here that “the mouth” speaks blasphemies. There should be an immediate association with the ministry of Christ when He told the Pharisees that they were blaspheming – as they were attributing His actions of casting out a demon to the work and power of Satan/Beelzebub. With that information, you can make a logical assessment as to what this “mouth” is saying.


You said: “because throughout history they had never truly had world dominance Or conquered as much as the Pagan Roman Empire.

Again I refer to Joel Richardson and the Mideast Beast, where he states, “The three other kingdoms that would be trampled and crushed, as we already know, are Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. The text is clear that the fourth kingdom would “crush” or conquer all three of these empires. The three empires never co-existed of course, and thus we must ask what the text means when it says that the fourth empire would “crush” all of the others.”


Richardson goes on to say, “the Roman Empire only conquered roughly one-third of the regions controlled by Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. But roughly two-thirds of the regions controlled by these empires were left entirely untouched by the Roman Empire. In fact, the Roman Empire never even reached the two Persian capital cities of Ecbatana and Persepolis.”

According to this information, you can see that the Roman Empire NEVER obtained “world dominance,” as you suggested.


You continued your denunciation of the pagan Roman Empire by saying, “Nor persecuted so many of God’s people during their rule.”

If you could segregate the actions of the Roman military from the governing body in Italy, you might be able to say that God's people were not persecuted so frequently, but historically we cannot do that. We have at least a couple of examples of Rome's (Nero) persecution. When Paul writes to the church in Rome, it has barely been reestablished since the followers of Christ were driven out of Rome. 

In saying followers of Christ, our gentile minds only picture evangelical non-Jewish believers, when the majority of this body was just the opposite and gentile followers were in the minority. So when you say “God's people,” you must be talking about Jewish followers of Christ


In Romans 16:3, Paul tells the church in Rome to greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. We can learn that “They had come to Corinth from Rome because of Claudius’ decree that all Jews must leave Rome” The Bible Knowledge Commentary adds: “Suetonius (a.d. 69? -140), a biographer of Roman emperors, described what may have been the occasion for such a decree. In his Life of Claudius (25.4) he referred to the constant riots of the Jews at the instigation of Chrestus. Possibly the name Chrestus is a reference to Christ.” Our strong assumption is that these followers of Christ were doing everything possible to stand against unjust laws and therefore deemed troublemakers, just like today.

It is obvious that persecution under the Roman Empire was quite common for Jews and followers of Christ.


Allow me to show one more example. As we fling about our traditional and fearful language about eschatology, we denounce anyone who suggests a potential timing of the Lord's return. The blasting argument usually comes from Matthew 24:36, where Jesus was speaking to a Jewish audience about Jewish things in a language they understood, but we Gentiles, because of a lack of teaching, do not understand said,
but of that day and hour, no one knows, not even the Son,...” 

A dive into the surrounding events (context) might help us to understand, so we go to Daniel's prophecies, and there we find a reference to the people of the prince.

Daniel 9:26 NASB "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end, there will be war; desolations are determined.


Preterists will argue that this scenario has been fulfilled. I suppose to them, that means we are living in the time of God's wrath; that is NOT the case, and the events will have a second fulfillment. 

The point I want to make is that the people of the prince is an established historical event, fulfilled initially during the rule of Titus Vespasian in 70 AD.


You added: “Even during our Christ’s human presence on earth, Rome was firmly in power and ruled the holy land of Israel.

Rome comes into the picture only because: 

First, Rome conquered Jerusalem;

Secondly, Herod’s temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. under the Roman rule of Titus, just as Jesus said it would. 

Sadly, few take this study of the destruction of the temple to the next step, as that is where we find Josephus and Tacitus. Both of these historians recorded that the destruction of the temple can be directly attributed to Assyrian conscript troops, who refused to follow orders to quench the fires that they had started because they had an open hatred of the Jews. 

Since we choose to read Daniel 9:26, which says, the people of the prince that is to come, as Titus – the Roman, instead of what the historians provided – Assyrians. With such skewed information, we only have one logical conclusion, we must be looking for the Catholic Pope as the Antichrist, and that does not work. Therefore, our entire concept of eschatology is tainted by the false narrative of a final Roman world leader/Antichrist.


Here, in this next set of run-on sentences, you have run together multiple topics and ideas to fuel some twisted theology.

  • Pagan Rome in this passage is the dragon symbol

      What passage? You have not once referred to scripture - merely conjecture.

      If you did a search for “the dragon,” references that are significant primarily come out of Revelation; there is, however, one found in Isaiah.

        Isaiah 27:1 ESV In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea.


      While in the next verse, the dragon is referred to as a sign; it is well understood to be Satan.

        Revelation 12:3-4 ESV And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. (4) His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth so that when she bore her child, he might devour it.

      We understand the woman to be Israel and the child to be Yahshua/Jesus.


  • I must assume, in your narrative, that Rome would have “gave its power to Christendom papacy Rome around 476 AD.”

      There is a semblance of clarity only because you initiated this barrage with “ Pagan Rome … is the dragon symbol.” 

      The assumption that this is between two “Christians,” means that you, by your twisted theological inferences, are that you are including yourself in one of those groups. 

      Ideally, we should be having this discussion based on the Word of God. So, let's get back to scriptural associations found in the Revelation.


        Revelation 13:1-2 NASB And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names. (2) And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.


      This says NOTHING about Rome, pagans – although we, outside of Judaism, are thought of as pagans, and it does not say anything about the papacy. So here, you have Rome playing the role of Satan and giving its power to the papacy. Much too far of a stretch for me.

  • Your next dip into darkness rears its ugly head as you refer to “they.” Since you have talked about your distaste for Romans and the papacy, I am NOT sure who you are referring to when you say, “Around the middle ages, They had brought christianity in to the dark ages of a prophetical period of 1260 years or 42 months .”

      Since nothing happens outside of God's plans and ordination, perhaps you should rethink much of this statement. I am not an expert on church history and, therefore, am not equipped to argue about who brought Christianity into the middle ages. I do not see how it is relevant to your life either.

      I did note that you had to drag numbers that are integrally associated with eschatology, but you did not put them into that setting. We find an association of this person with a mouth in the Revelation.

        Revelation 13:5 NASB There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.

      I suspect you played with the numbers and found that 42 months on a 30-day Jewish calendar equals 1260 days. Bizarre and yet fascinating that you would tie these numbers into Christianity coming into the middle ages.


  • Where bible abiding Christians were denied the right to read the bible and many persecuted for defying the papacy rule that was enforced by the state.

      I think many of us are aware that the Catholic church was the state church. Their abuses, then, just as now, are, I am sure, an offense to God. I recently learned that it was the state church that changed the wording of 2 Thessalonians 2:3, where, in Greek, the word apostasia was used. One of the earliest Bibles – the Geneva Bible, properly translated apostasia as the departure – refers to the gathering of the church back to Jesus. The Catholic church ordered a rewrite that reflected their angst over people leaving the Catholic church for Protestantism, and hence the word apostasia was read as apostasy – a falling away from, at the least, religion proper.

      If the Congress of the United States can be opened in prayer, by a Methodist minister, in “the name of the monotheistic god Brahman,” we are deeply entrenched in apostasy.


  • Such as the long like of Sunday worship., paying indulgence, and purgatory and all the other laws of a man ‘mouth of a lion.’ Of course, in Daniel 7, Daniel’s dream was of a-lion that was symbolic of Babylon, the kingdom of King Nebuchadnezzar.”

I am done with this commentary, as it makes little to no sense, and I am exhausted trying to respond to you. It is quite obvious to me that you came here to pick a fight. I strongly suggest that you save a few dollars, stop buying Starbucks, and buy yourself a grammar checker like Grammarly. I say this because you have tried to come across as a learned scholar, but a quick glance at your commentary proved otherwise. I would have never let something like this out to public view.


I will have no further conversations with you about this, and any continued belligerent hostility will result in your getting blocked.


I close this with all the love you expressed to me.

I hope you are covered by his blood.”



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