Showing posts with label marriage supper of the lamb. Show all posts
Showing posts with label marriage supper of the lamb. Show all posts

Friday, August 3, 2018

Gather from every side to my sacrifice. Ezekiel 39:17-20

One of the last things I ever wanted to do was to overwhelm my readers. I truly wanted you to be inspired enough to dig into God's word and find these things for yourselves. Besides that, having sat under far too may manipulative sermons, where they tell you, you have to be a missionary and save the world. I have learned that being a missionary is not even close to my heart's desire, but teaching is. Another thing you should know about me is that I was not a good student when I was younger. Over time and by focusing on one class at a time, I was able to obtain honor status, but that took years. So, I can empathize with those who struggle to learn and absorb information. I edit my writings excessively, and since I am in honesty writing to myself, they excite me. In truth, I have often read the passage already, made pages of notes so that I can understand it, and then begun the process of relaying the things I see, to you. I hope you have the endurance and capability to do the same with my writings. I want us all to get better at understanding the nature and character of this amazing God we serve. He is our Father you know.
With that said, here is a short and yet continuing dive into Ezekiel 39.
Ezekiel 39:17 NASB "As for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every kind of bird and to every beast of the field, "Assemble and come, gather from every side to My sacrifice which I am going to sacrifice for you, as a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh and drink blood.
Ezekiel 39:18-20 continues with the same descriptives, and I will leave you to read them on your own.
The phrase, son of man, is found throughout the Bible. Here in verse 17, the directive is being spoken to Ezekiel. Uppercase or lowercase seems to be irrelevant as the context and person being spoken to is key in understanding the verse in question. I point this out as Jesus Christ referred to himself as the Son of man, and the Father often referred to Jesus as the Son of man. (I only bring this up as some see this passage as the same event we see in Revelation 19. We will dive into that momentarily.)
The command to Ezekiel is to: “speak to every kind of bird and every beast of the field.” They are told to Assemble; come, and gather from every side, to what?
  • My sacrifice which I am going to sacrifice for you, as a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel,
  • that you may eat flesh and drink blood.
This passage sounds all too familiar.
Revelation 19:17-18 NASB 17) Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18) so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men, and slaves, and small and great."
While there are similar properties, and, it sounds like this is marriage supper of the Lamb, is it the same event?
I do not believe so and here is why.
  • Although both scenarios entail war, one is fought with Jesus as the Messiah, along with the saints; while the other employs fire of some form.
  • One scenario transitions quickly into the millennial reign, while the other has specific timings involved.
  • Revelation 19:20 depicts the judgment of the beast and the false prophet, while Ezekiel speaks nothing of these two.
  • Revelation 19:21 describes the slaughter as exclusively with the sword as it comes from the mouth of Jesus. Ezekiel, on the other, while not speaking of hand to hand combat, focuses on fire alone.
  • Revelation 19 conveys the image of combatants being the only ones who die, while Ezekiel subtly points out that Israelis are killed as well.
  • In Revelation 19:15 the sentence includes Jesus saying, that He will rule them with a rod of iron. This idea of ruling is openly expressing the time when He returns and remains on the earth during the millennial reign. We do not see that in Ezekiel 39 as a part of the annihilation of Gog and his armies.
      Revelation 19:11 NASB And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness, He judges and wages war. Revelation 19:20-21 NASB 20) And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21) And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
      Ezekiel 39:3-6 NASB "I will strike your bow from your left hand and dash down your arrows from your right hand. 4) "You will fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you as food to every kind of predatory bird and beast of the field. 5) "You will fall on the open field; for it is I who have spoken," declares the Lord GOD. 6) "And I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety; and they will know that I am the LORD.
I am going to touch on Ezekiel 39:21-22 because there are always critics. The critic would say, I am not thorough or just did not read far enough, for Ezekiel does speak to the millennial reign; and they are right it does, but Revelation 19 demonstrates one continuous flow into the 1000 year reign, while Ezekiel 38 and 39 have specific day lengths involved, such as the seven months before they search; and, then continuously burying bodies for seven months.
Whether this firestorm we see in Ezekiel happens before, during, or after the rapture is irrelevant, as we are still looking at 14 months. That is 14 months of relative calm in Israel, and the catching away of the church, to many, is the boundary between time frames.
Everything happening after the removal of the church is the time of God's wrath.
So, if I could use the two seven month periods within Ezekiel 38,39, then we are 14 months, or 420 days, according to the Jewish calendar, into the seven years of wrath. While the Antichrist may have come on the scene almost instantly, waving his contract of peace, and calling for many to sign it, the false prophet will not show his true colors until 1260 days into this time of wrath.
Add to this mix, the fact that God, immediately after the removal of the church, sends two prophets from heaven who stand in the streets of Jerusalem, doing what? Telling the Jewish community that the Messiah came already, and will come back again soon; they are also preaching that repentance is necessary by turning of the heart toward God; we are also aware that they perform mighty miracles, such as: stopping the rain, calling fire down from heaven (considering what may have already happened, this will be a heart-stopping event,) and, they will kill, with fire from their mouths, anyone who tries to harm them. (Try to picture that, as some sniper, from well over a mile away, attempts to kill them. Snipers tend to get you when you are not expecting it, and yet these guys know everything and stop it with fire.)
These two prophets stand in the streets 1260 days. This time frame overlaps the period of burials, and may well be an integrated part of those burials. At 1260 God decides it is time for the two prophets to come back to heaven and allows them to be killed. What a coincidence that they will be killed just as the false prophet steps into public view.
What have we accomplished here? We have pointed out that Ezekiel 39 and Revelation 19 while having almost precise wording, are two different events. One thing you should understand about the Revelation. While John and the other disciples may have been thought of as ignorant men, that spoke in somewhat common vernacular, they walked with the Son of God for three years, and, they were obedient to stay put and receive the Holy Spirit – the Paraclete that would teach you all things. In a sense, John too became a Rabbi; a Rabbi who knew the words of Ezekiel too well. Is it any wonder that the terminology would be the same, and so precise.
God, was and is trying to convey a message. In Ezekiel, He is describing events that are going to come. Those events include the Messiah sitting in judgment over the nations; whereas in the Revelation, the events are specific to the seven-year period, known as the time of wrath; because of that timing, the firestorm against Gog may have already occurred.
A friend of mine with many skill sets recently stepped out in faith and made efforts to buy a ranch in Idaho (USA). While the houses where I live are small with no land and sell for $500,000, this ranch was a mere $250,000. They made appropriate arrangements, packed their house into a trailer, and then watched as things started to fall apart at the last minute. Money problems, escrow problems, and changes in the attitudes from some. He asked for prayer, and quickly. I wrote him back and said something to this effect.
I had climbed a few rock faces, when I was younger, but only within safe limits. Why just safe limits; because I was not brave enough to risk my life (effectively everything,) for the joy of seeing what was on the other side. Sometimes faith is just like climbing that a high rock face, only we are asked to push our limitations beyond our comfort zone. While you are climbing in places you have never been, pushing your limits and boundaries, occasionally risking your life, it is scary. But afterward, standing at the top looking at the beauty you would have missed, it is exhilarating. Faith is like that. What the Word of God presents to us, is a climb that challenges everything we know. There are inherent dangers, and God knows that; but He keeps trying to remind us that in reaching the top of the ascent there is a great reward, and a life spent with Him in glory, even if our lives down here on earth comes to an end.
All this stuff we surround ourselves with keeps us comfortable in our fear. I long for the life with Him, and I long to go out as a warrior. If writing makes me a warrior, then so be it; hopefully, you will join me.

As Joel Richardson says frequently, I could be wrong about the way I have conveyed prophetic events and their timing. I already know that I conflict with how Joel sees Revelation 19, but it is not my goal to confuse and mislead you. I try to convey these events I see in a way that is logical and makes sense given the context. I implore you to read and study; it is the only preventative for being deceived. 

Wednesday, March 23, 2016

A discussion about the marriage supper of the Lamb.

The morning bible study started out with a discussion about the marriage supper of the Lamb.
Revelation 19:7-8 NASB "Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready." (8) It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
The general opinion is that this wedding supper is a feast, much like what Isaiah describes, and that the church will be the guests at the supper.

Where do we get these crazy ideas?

What if I told you that I have never had clarity on this subject. Seeing as the leaders took us to Revelation 19 to attempt to sell their point, it was easy to grasp what the marriage supper of the lamb consisted of out of Revelation 19 and the perceived context. Considering that, in effect, we have two leaders (one seems to be the watchdog over the other) anything can happen, and it did.
One of the men, a man deemed knowledgeable, adamantly declared, “we have to eat, and Jesus had to eat; the fact that he ate fish on the beach with the disciples proves it.” Because he said this many seemed to groan in response, that must be true then.
Dig hard and you will not find anything in scripture that backs up the need for an eternal man to eat. Eating, it seems, is purely a pleasure at this point. As I thought about this, I was reminded of Adam and Eve in the garden. Edible things were pleasant to the eyes and “good” for food, but this does not prove my point either. Perhaps looking at this from the standpoint that man was first made a spiritual being. However, he did not remain a spiritual being only as God put flesh on him. Now thinking about Jesus, He voluntarily put on flesh, became a man and maintains that humanness still today, and, therefore, may have to eat. The problem I have then is not that we might have a need to eat, but the presumption that this is really some sort of fancy dinner when it is a bloody and horrific battle.
With eyes wide open let us continue.
Revelation 19:9 ESV And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are the true words of God."
Thinking as a Jew might what would be the association I could make? Isaiah 25:6 ESV “On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.” At least, we have the imagery of a dinner. However, we quickly find ourselves turning our heads away.
Look up the word supper and you get the Greek word deipnon/dipe'-non. It is from the same as G1160; dinner, that is, the chief meal (usually in the evening): - feast, supper. If I pursue the reference to the Strong's number G1160 I get this: dapane/dap-an'-ay. From dapto (to devour); expense (as consuming): - cost.
This idea of supper now carries the connotation of the bride acting savagely, for the word devour by definition means to ruin or destroy. While that may not at first make sense, it will when I consider who else is called to this supper given by the lamb.
Here is what Isaiah describes:
Isaiah 25:6 ESV On this mountain the LORD of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.

It is all about context.

It is not a lavish dinner where you get to sit and fulfill your selfish, glutenous desires, and the context of Revelation 19 reveals that.
Revelation 19:17 KJV And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
So, even though Isaiah 25:6 describes a lavish feast, that is not what the context suggests here. In human comprehension this is disgusting:
Revelation 19:18 KJV That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
What is clear is that this is the result of a horrendous battle.
Revelation 19:19 KJV "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

So, who is invited to this feast?

Revelation 19:9 KJV And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb”
Since we already comprehend that the bride has made herself ready, you would assume the bride is one of the called. Revelation 19:7 tells us, “his Bride has made herself ready.”
Some of the guests include:
  • Flesh eating birds.
Revelation 19:17 ESV Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, "Come, gather for the great supper of God,
  • Jesus himself, of course.
Revelation 19:11 ESV Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
  • The armies of heaven.
Since we have this declaration from Paul's second letter to the church in Thessalonica, we know that this army includes followers of Christ who are already in heaven with him.
1 Thessalonians 3:13 ESV (13) so that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints.
  • The nations.
I try to tell people, as much as possible, that there are only three people groups in scripture: The Jews/Israel; the nations; and, the church/the body of Christ. What does that make the nations in this instance? All those not belonging to either of the other two.
Revelation 19:15 ESV From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

What is on the menu?

The flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.”
(17)Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, "Come, gather for the great supper of God, (18) to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great." (19) And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. Revelation 19:17-19 ESV
This “feast” is nowhere close to what Isaiah described and must then be taken to be symbolic.

The church is not the bride.

I challenged one of the men with this idea and he immediately went back to Revelation 19:7 to try and make his point.
Revelation 19:7 ESV “Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;”
As a stand alone sentence, this does not define who the bride is. As a matter of fact, nowhere in the New Testament will you find the church referred to as the bride. All references to the bride come out of the Revelation with one exception and that is in John's gospel where John the Baptist is speaking.
John 3:29 NASB "He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom's voice. So this joy of mine has been made full.
Because John the baptist speaks in the present tense, he reveals that the coming for the bride has happened with the appearance of the Messiah. There is a problem here because the bride rejected the groom, the Messiah, and still does. (By the way - Jesus had already been baptized by John and was already actively ministering when John said this.)
All other references to the bride are found in the Revelation, and two of the most revealing are found in chapter 21.
Revelation 21:2 ESV And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
That in itself does not convince me but leads my mind to rethink this concept of a bride. What does convince me is this.
Revelation 21:9-11 ESV Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, "Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb." (10) And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, (11) having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal.
Here, in Revelation 21:9-11, is the bride and without question it is the holy city Jerusalem.
Certainly Isaiah speaks of a time, at the end of wrath, when God will establish peace once again. And, though we can apply almost everything to the church as well, it is rather specific in dealing with the restoration of Israel, his people. We know this because of two declarations made within the paragraph - "Behold, this is our God; we have waited for him, that he might save us. This is the LORD; we have waited for him; let us be glad and rejoice in his salvation."
Isaiah 25:7-9 ESV And he will swallow up on this mountain the covering that is cast over all peoples, the veil that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death forever; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces, and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for the LORD has spoken. (9) It will be said on that day, "Behold, this is our God; we have waited for him, that he might save us. This is the LORD; we have waited for him; let us be glad and rejoice in his salvation."
The bride is Israel, who still to this day awaits the Messiah.



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